Bhāgavata: On the land at the Caitanya Maṭha, at Caitanya Mahāprabhu's birth site. (break)
Dr. Patel: . . .to me.
Prabhupāda: No, not to you. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: You were explaining to me.
Prabhupāda: No. No, no. I am explaining to everyone that "Whose business he struck?" That is the way. (Hindi saying) . . .that "In the assembly there is some talks, but the talks which is concerned to somebody, he becomes sorry."
Dr. Patel: You did not consult me, but I wanted to know the explanation.
Prabhupāda: No. The explanation . . . (laughter) Now this doll should be displayed: that laboratory, they are testing urine, stool, and somebody is asking, "Here is a dead man. Why don't you test the urine and stool of this dead man and give him some injection?" This kind of doll should be displayed. The people will be interested. So I will give you suggestion. Not that stereotyped: "If one is doing something, I have to follow that." You should do something . . .
Bhāgavata: Unique.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is wanted. It is already there in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
Bhāgavata: Things show . . . dolls displaying practical examples of the philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many things in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata. Just like a dog is swimming, and somebody captures the tail of the dog and he thinks that "The dog will help me to cross the ocean." This kind of . . . so everyone is trying for liberation, but they are catching the tail of a dog for liberation.
Dr. Patel: He must get the ship in the form of God's name. Hmm?
Prabhupāda: In this way, practical instruction. Taking to yoga system, karma system, this system, that system, but he does not know that these are like the dog's tail. Nobody . . .
Dr. Patel: (laughing) They are criticizing you.
Prabhupāda: No, it is practically. Yes. You cannot cross over the sea by capturing the tail of a dog because you see the dog is swimming. So all this karma, jñāna, yoga, they are all failure. It is just like dog tail. You cannot cross over the nescience by capturing dog's tail. You must capture the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. Tan aham . . . Eh?
Yaśomatīnandana: Eśa tat . . .
Prabhupāda: No. Samuddhartā mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt (BG 12.7). And explain the Bhagavad-gītā śloka. Mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt. From this ocean of birth and death, if one wants to be saved, he must come to Kṛṣṇa, not to the dog's tail.
Dr. Patel: Come to the ship of Kṛṣṇa. That is what we are deciding.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: (laughing) That you are not coming to the point of the . . . quickly.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In this kind of—Bhagavad-gītā śloka, Bhāgavata śloka, and doll exhibition. So you prepare. I will give you the suggestion.
Dr. Patel: Sir, I have one point to ask you, that Vyāsa Bhagavān was not satisfied doing all these things, and he finally composed the Bhāgavatam. But even Mahābhārata can be called equal to any of them. Mahābhārata, with the Bhagavad-gītā in . . . With the Vidura-nīti, with the Viṣṇu-sahasra-nāma and all these things can be equal to any other . . .
Prabhupāda: Stri-śūdra-dvija-bandhūnām (SB 1.4.25). It is meant for less intelligent class of men: stri, woman; śūdra; and dvija-bandhu. Dvija-bandhu means persons who are born in high family but they have no education. Just like a man born in brāhmaṇa family . . .
Dr. Patel: Brahma-bandhu.
Prabhupāda: . . . but without education, without qualification, he wants to become a brāhmaṇa. They are called brahma-bandhu or dvija-bandhu. So Mahābhārata is meant for the . . . these persons: stri-śūdra-dvija-bandhunam. They cannot understand directly the Vedic injunctions, therefore it is simplified in a history. Mahābhārata is the history. History and stories, ordinary people they can read with interest. But those who are advanced, they want higher philosophical thoughts. That is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo atra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ vāstava-vastu vedyam (SB 1.1.2). Nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalam idam (SB 1.1.3). It is meant for higher class. So there are different literatures for different persons. Why there are eighteen Purāṇas: sāttvika, rājasika, tāmasika? Those who are tāmasika, for them it is advised . . .
Dr. Patel: Devī Purāṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "Yes, you can eat meat. There is no harm. But you get it sacrificed before Goddess Kālī." But this is not meant for the high-class brāhmaṇa. This is meant for the third-class dvija. But still, he is induced to accept some authority. In this way there are Purāṇas. Somebody is recommended to worship Lord Śiva, somebody is recommended to worship Kālī, Durgā, Sarasvatī, many demigods. But Nārada Muni chastised his disciple that "You have done wrong. Why you have recommended all these things?" Jugupsitam. That is said there, that "People will take your authority, and they will be engaged in worshiping different demigods." Actually that is not required. Then he compiled Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, only the Supreme Lord worshiped. The same thing as Kṛṣṇa explained, mām ekam. That is success.