Jayatīrtha: If you're going to travel, you should go to a worthwhile place. There's no reason to waste time.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . the outer space, but they do not know where to go.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: These scientists, they are trying to travel in the outer space, but they do not know where to go.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, that's a fact. Because . . . they are just wandering in the wild.
Prabhupāda: That's all . . . (indistinct) . . . beyond the sky there is another sky . . . (indistinct) . . . and we are trying to go there according to the perfect knowledge . . . (indistinct) . . . (break) . . . of knowledge is misunderstanding, so how they can get perfect knowledge? If you begin from mistake, misconception, then where is your perfect knowledge?
The beginning is this body. Beyond this body, they have no knowledge. Their rascal knowledge . . . this rascal knowledge, how they can help you? Anything, suppose any mathematical calculation, if the beginning is wrong, then how you come to the right conclusion? What do you think?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, when the . . .
Jayatīrtha: In logic, if the hypothesis is wrong then the conclusion is wrong.
Prabhupāda: The hypothesis is always wrong.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: If the starting point is wrong, then there is nothing . . .
Prabhupāda: Then there cannot be any perfect knowledge. So the modern so-called scientists, philosophers, their starting point is wrong. Just like a great scientist . . . Darwin is a scientist?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He's not a scientist. He's called a naturalist.