Prabhupāda: The trees feel when you cut. They feel. There is machine. They . . . he discovered this. You have not been in Calcutta, Sir Jagadish Institute?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Probably not.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He, he discovered this wireless, Marconi's. Marconi's took advantage from him. They were talking together, and when Marconi got the hint from him, he immediately published. It was his invention, Sir Jagadish. Therefore he invented this pulsation of the trees, and started the Sir Jagadish Institution, Calcutta. So there is painful feeling even on the trees, what to speak of others.
Brahmānanda: Even a small insect . . .
Prabhupāda: Anyone.
Brahmānanda: . . . he'll run away so quickly, you try to go to him.
Prabhupāda: As soon you try to kill or attack, then he protests. And there is feeling also. Why? (japa)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they want to enjoy the material world.
Prabhupāda: If you say so, then material enjoyment or enjoyment, material or spiritual, it doesn't matter . . .
Lady Passerby: Good morning.
Prabhupāda: (aside) Good morning. Thank you . . . (indistinct)
Then every living entity wants to enjoy. And that is the Vedānta-sūtra. Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). Why they want to enjoy?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because that is the eternal position of the living being entity.
Prabhupāda: His constitutional position is ānandamaya, joyfulness, but he does not get here that ānanda. He's seeking that ānanda, but it is being checked by condition. He cannot enjoy. There are so many impediments. Just like we want to walk, but there are so many impediments. We want to walk on the sea beach, but there are so many obstacles. So my position is that I want to enjoy, and nature's position is that she will check it. She'll not allow. Why? Why I am put into this condition? What do the scientists reply, rascals?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't have any answer.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't have any answer, right answer.
Prabhupāda: That means they're rascals. They do not know.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So our answer will be because of the laws of nature?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because we are under the laws of nature . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. But why . . .? I am against laws of nature. That is my question. If . . . if I am also nature's product, then why I against laws of nature? Why?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: By forgetting my real relationship, I tend to rule over the laws of material nature.
Prabhupāda: That I am struggling. That is my business here. I am simply struggling. Laws of nature is obstructing my process of enjoyment, and I want to enjoy. Why this position? We inquire these intelligent questions. What they are inquiring? They do not know what to inquire.
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Fools. Animals.
Brahmānanda: Sanātana Gosvāmī also asked that question to Caitanya Mahāprabhu . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is, that is the question of human life that, "I want to enjoy. Why there is obstruction of my enjoyment?" Then the next question will be, "Then what I am, and what is this nature?" These are intelligent questions. That is called brahma-jijñāsā. "Where shall I eat?" "Where shall I sleep?" these are very minor questions. They are questions for animals. For the human being, this is the question that, "I want to enjoy life. Why there are so many obstruction?" This is human question.
The animal, they do not question. They submit. Just like when you slay one animal, it submits. But a human being, there is law, because human being is intelligent. So you cannot kill any other human being. You cannot murder. Then you'll be hanged. But they cannot make law. They're lower-grade animals. They submit, somebody killing. But the objection is there, both by the human being and the animal, that the "Why you are killing?" But he's helpless. The man has invented some means. So they have made their laws. But both of them are objecting.
In your, in America somewhere, when I first came, there was some incidence that in a live store, they got some opportunity to flee away. Then all the cows were fleeing away. And they were shot down. They were stopped. They knew that, "We are stocked here for being killed." So they got some opportunity, going away. And there is always miserable condition. Just like why you have covered so much? Why you have spent for covering? This is also miserable condition. Miserable condition.