Prabhupada: This is the covering of the universe. Covering you as far as you can see, that is covering.
Tamala Krsna: Aren't there eight... Aren't there coverings of the eight elements?
Prabhupada: Yes, that is above.
Tamala Krsna: So he's saying that they have seen beyond that.
Prabhupada: How they can see?
Krsnadasa: That was my question.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada says how can they see?
Krsnadasa: No, for example...
Prabhupada: No, they take all these stars as sun. But that is not fact. Sun is one. In each universe there is one sun in the middle. In this universe in the middle, from the circumference, two hundred billions, no, two billion.
Tamala Krsna: Two billion.
Prabhupada: And above the sun there is moon. Then Mars, then Venus, like that. 1,600,000 miles above, above, above.
Tamala Krsna: So the moon is further away than the sun.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore I say they have never gone to moon. Never gone.
Hrdayananda: What is that? Rahu. (break)
Nalini-kanta: They say that they can see planets trillions of miles away.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Nalini-kanta: They say that they can see stars trillions of miles away.
Prabhupada: But they cannot go. That's a fact. According to their estimation, the moon is the nearest. So they cannot go there. Hare Krsna. Jaya. (break) ...deva-vrata devan (BG 9.25). Moon is one of the heavenly planets. So unless one is very advanced in karma-kanda, offering sacrifices, nobody can go there. It is not so easy. Urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah (BG 14.18). Those who are more and more higher status of goodness, they are promoted in the highest planet. Not by drinking wine and driving a sputnik one can... (laughter) It is not so easy. (break) ...also drink soma-rasa. The residents of the moon, they live for ten thousand years.