Prabhupāda: Just like kṣatriya. Kṣatriya's . . . guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13). According to guṇa, śauryaṁ tejaḥ, yuddhe cāpy apalāyanam, īśvara-bhāvaś ca (BG 18.43). These are the kṣatriya qualities. So śāstra says if these qualities are anyatrāpi dṛśyeta, if these qualities are found somewhere else . . . suppose a śūdra, a caṇḍāla, if these qualities are found there, then he should be designated by that post, not as śūdra.
Guest (1): No. As karuna varna . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: There are many instances, but this is the injunction of the śāstra. And practically also. Suppose a man is a medical practitioner. He may be born in a brāhmiṇ family or śūdra family—nobody wants to know to which family he belongs to. If he sees that he is a medical practitioner, he has passed the M.D. examination and that he is practicing then people accept him as doctor, medical man. Nobody asks him, "Are you a brāhmiṇ? Then I make my treatment with you." Nobody asks that. So this is the śāstric injunction. Then later on this caste brāhmaṇism, śūdra-ism made the whole thing, whole Hindu culture, Vedic culture, spoiled.
Guest (1): Quite right.
Prabhupāda: That should be the point. Now it is the duty of the secular government . . . now if somebody is claiming that, "I am brāhmiṇ," then government should force him to become actually a brāhmiṇ. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that, "Let people go to hell. We don't care for them." That is not required.
Guest (1): Yes, but if a brāhmiṇ is not behaving . . .
Prabhupāda: If you are claiming to become a brāhmiṇ, you must act as a brāhmiṇ.
Lady Guest: Perform the duties of a brāhmiṇ.
Guest (1): And actions and dharma and . . .
Prabhupāda: That should be the platform.
Guest (1): Because if a brāhmiṇ goes on drinking and abusing and . . . then he is not a brāhmiṇ.
Prabhupāda: That is not brāhmiṇ. How can that be brāhmiṇ? That is a śūdra, caṇḍāla. Then what is the difference between a . . . but they are claiming brāhmaṇism by birth. That is not allowed in the śāstra.