Prabhupāda: (indistinct) ...don't know how they are becoming entangled, by this continues change of material body. That is defect of the modern civilization. Kleśada āsa dehaḥ (SB 5.5.4). Kleśada. Any material body, that is… kleśada.
Kleśa means "pains." Da, da means "giving." Any material body, it doesn’t matter (indistinct), it is troublesome. They do not know. They try to get out of trouble, but the real trouble is covering him. He does not know. Just like the deer, they grow musk on their navel.
Śyāmasundara: They grow what?
Prabhupāda: Musk.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, musk. Serum.
Prabhupāda: By the smell, they become mad: "Where is that smell? Where is that smell? Where is that smell?" Mad. But he does not know that the smell is within his navel. Similarly these rascals, they are trying to make solution of the problem. But the rascal does not know that the problem is this material body.
Prabhupāda: They are trying to solve outside.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: And they are passing as scientists and philosophers. Kleśada āsa dehaḥ. God is so kind that if you want any kind of material pleasure, He will give you a suitable body. Yantrārūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61). Māya immediately orders a fully fit body. He wants to eat stool, "All right, here give him this body." He wants to drink fresh blood, "All right, give him this body." He wants to harm people without any offence, "All right, give it to him." Any kind of sense gratification.
There are varieties of bodies, 8,400,000 species of…, varieties of bodies, and is given chance: "All right, enjoy this." Want this car? "All right, take this car." So he does not know that this car is troublesome. He doesn’t know. He is trying to solve the problem otherwise. His real trouble is birth, death, old age and disease due to this body, and he is suffering continuously three kinds of miserable condition. But he does not know that "Due to this body I am suffering. So how to stop this acceptance of material body?" That is all. What do you say, Mr. Scientist?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Well, Śrīla Prabhupāda, just to depend on the…
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Well, just simply depend on the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, because other than that, there is no way.
Prabhupāda: Still they do not know that this body is the cause of all trouble. They do not know it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they miss Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is later on. But this very fact, nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma (SB 5.5.4). They’re mad after sense gratification. They are doing all nonsense. Vikarma. Vikarma means prohibited action. If you constantly break the laws of the state, you will be, one after another, you will be liable for punishment.
But if an outlaw does not know this, and if he wants to be happy, how he can be happy? What is his reply, Śyāmasundara? He does not know. Kleśada āsa dehaḥ. You have tried many things in your past life to become happy, but because it was simply breaking law, you could not.