Prabhupāda: ...objection of Professor O'Connell?
Satsvarūpa: He said that we don't, we deny expression of love through the body. Just like the gṛhasthas are not allowed, except to have children, to have sex, and brahmacārīs, not at all. So by denying, these are natural ways to express love, he says, and by denying them, the people in this movement become somewhat cold and don't have the experience of love.
Prabhupāda: Love? This is love or lust?
Satsvarūpa: He says there's a definite connection between the flesh and love, and you can't deny it, he said. I argued with him, but that was his viewpoint, that love is expressed through the flesh.
Prabhupāda: Then how he has become a doctor in Vaiṣṇava philosophy?
Devotee: He's a sick doctor.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That would mean that the dog is a great lover.
Prabhupāda: No, in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta there is explanation, what is the difference between lust and love.
Satsvarūpa: I told him if you observe the devotees, you'll see they have very affectionate loving dealings with one another, but it's not based on the flesh. We don't have to...
Prabhupāda: That is lust. Sahajiyā. Lust is going on as love.