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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">From next year, unless one passes bhakti-śāstrī, he cannot be second initiated. First initiation is open for everyone. "Come on. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That will purify him. Then let him understand what is bhakti. | | <div class="heading">From next year, unless one passes bhakti-śāstrī, he cannot be second initiated. First initiation is open for everyone. "Come on. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That will purify him. Then let him understand what is bhakti. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore|Morning Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. Brahmā spoke śruti, Vedas, so whatever he speaks is śruti. It is therefore called saṁhitā. Saṁhitā means Vedas, śruti. As soon as it is called saṁhitā, that is Vedas.</p> | | |
| <p>Acyutānanda: (break) ...comprises the examination for bhaktivedanta and bhakti-śāstrī?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
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| <p>Acyutānanda: There was talk that they would be given examinations.</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore|Morning Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.</p>
| | Mahāmṣa: . . .''oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padam.'' That claims Viṣṇu as the Supreme, but where does it say that Viṣṇu . . . I mean Kṛṣṇa, is the source of Viṣṇu from the ''śrutis''? |
| <p>Acyutānanda: What is the syllabus for...?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Whatever books we have got, it should be studied. Bhakti-śāstrī means Nectar of Devotion, Bhagavad-gītā, Nectar of Instruction, Beyond Death—in this way we select some ten books. That is bhakti-śāstrī.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: ''Śruti'' . . . Brahmā said, ''īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' (BS 5.1). |
| <p>Acyutānanda: So when will that...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Then we come to Bhāgavata, then we come to Caitanya-caritāmṛta, in this way. So from next year, unless one passes bhakti-śāstrī, he cannot be second initiated. First initiation is open for everyone. "Come on. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That will purify him. Then let him understand what is bhakti.</p>
| | Acyutānanda: ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' is ''śruti''. |
| <p>Yaśodānandana: This is very good, because then those that will become second..., those that will have second initiation will have to know the scriptures, will have to know your books.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is.... Now there is...</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Yes. Brahmā spoke ''śruti'', ''Vedas'', so whatever he speaks is ''śruti''. It is therefore called ''saṁhitā. Saṁhitā'' means ''Vedas'', ''śruti''. As soon as it is called ''saṁhitā'', that is ''Vedas''. (break) |
| <p>Mahāmṣa: And unless they know your books, they will never be fixed-up devotees.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
| | Acyutānanda: . . . comprises the examination for ''bhaktivedanta'' and ''bhakti-śāstrī''? |
| <p>Acyutānanda: Many times people give second initiation because they need a pūjārī in the temple.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Hmm? |
| <p>Acyutānanda: So they give.</p>
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| <p>Mahāmṣa: (break) ...different Purāṇas have different Gītās, Prabhupāda? So some person said that there is a Gaṇeśa-gītā. Similarly, there are different demigods. They speak their gītā. And they also say...</p>
| | Acyutānanda: There was talk that they would be given examinations. |
| <p>Acyutānanda: Universal form.</p>
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| <p>Mahāmṣa: They show the universal form or they say that they are paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma ([[Vanisource:BG 10.12|BG 10.12]]). They say the same things in their gitas.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Let them do that. We take Bhagavad-gītā. That's all. Śaṅkarācārya also—bhagavad-gītā kiñcid adhītā. If Bhagavad-gītā is understood a little only, he becomes liberated.</p>
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| <p>Acyutānanda: Then why should it be called the Bhagavad-gītā and not the Kṛṣṇa-gītā. Kṛṣṇa is referred to as Bhagavān.</p>
| | Acyutānanda: What is the syllabus for . . .? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Huh? Bhagavad-gītā, not Bhāgavata-gita.</p>
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| <p>Acyutānanda: No, Bhagavata, because He is.... The others are not Bhagavata.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Whatever books we have got, it should be studied. ''Bhakti-śāstrī'' means ''Nectar of Devotion'', ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''Nectar of Instruction'', Beyond Death—in this way we select some ten books. That is ''bhakti-śāstrī''. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam ([[Vanisource:SB 1.3.28|SB 1.3.28]]). Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. Bhagavān, that I explained so many times. Bhagavān everyone, little possessing opulence.</p>
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| | Acyutānanda: So when will that . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: Then we come to ''Bhāgavata'', then we come to ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta'', in this way. |
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| | Acyutānanda: That'll be wonderful. |
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| | Prabhupāda: So from next year, unless one passes ''bhakti-śāstrī'', he cannot be second-initiated. First initiation is open for everyone: "Come on. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That will purify him. Then let him understand what is ''bhakti''. |
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| | Yaśodānandana: This is very good, because then those that will become second . . . those that will have second initiation will have to know the scriptures, will have to know your books. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes, that is . . . Now there is . . . |
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| | Mahāmṣa: And unless they know your books, they will never be fixed-up devotees. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. |
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| | Acyutānanda: Many times people give second initiation because they need a ''pūjārī'' in the temple. |
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| | Prabhupāda: No. |
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| | Acyutānanda: So they give. (break) |
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| | Mahāmṣa: . . .different ''Purāṇas'' have different ''Gītās'', Prabhupāda? So some person said that there is a ''Gaṇeśa-gītā''. Similarly, there are different demigods, they speak their ''Gītā''. And they also say . . . |
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| | Acyutānanda: Universal form. |
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| | Mahāmṣa: They show the universal form, or they say that they are ''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma'' ([[vanisource:BG 10.12-13 (1972)|BG 10.12]]). They say the same things in their ''Gītās''. |
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| | Prabhupāda: That's all right. Let them do that. We take ''Bhagavad-gītā''. That's all. Śaṅkarācārya also—''Bhagavad-gītā'' ''kiñcid adhītā''. If ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is understood a little only, he becomes liberated. |
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