Prabhupāda: (break) ...avatāra here, and she also came from Ireland to become avatāra here.
Acyutānanda: I heard how she became interested in the Gītā. She was Christian, and her infant died. So she asked priests, "Where will this soul go, to heaven or hell? And why? Because he hasn't done anything." So she was never satisfied with their answers. So then she heard that there is transmigration of the soul. Then she became interested in the Gītā, India.
Prabhupāda: So did she understand?
Acyutānanda: Well, only up to transmigration of the soul.
Prabhupāda: She admits.
Acyutānanda: Yes. (break)
Prabhupāda: It was open? Is there are any doubt? (break)
Indian man (2): ...all practical things...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (2): ...political things. Two and two will always be four. But we people don't agree so far.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You want five.
Indian man (2): (laughter) We want five, correct. Four to make it five.
Prabhupāda: There is a story that a grocer's son was doing business, and when he was given a five rupees note, so he was giving four rupees. So the customer said, "Why you are giving me four rupees?" "No, I do not know what is the exchange." "No, it is six rupees." So "No, father will be angry." (laughter) Means he knows perfectly well what is five rupees, but he is innocent when he was giving four rupees. And when the customer wanted six rupees, he, "No, my father will be angry." (laughter) (break) ...created a havoc by misinterpreting Bhagavad-gītā, all people. According to their whims, "Five rupees note means four rupees," by imagination, they have created havoc all over the world. Otherwise everything is there. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11). If we take Kṛṣṇa's instruction, then whole world becomes immediately happy. But they will not take it. They will manufacture their own: "Two plus two equal to five" or "three," not exactly to four.
Indian man (3): So all anxiety and duḥkha have been created by the man himself.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They have created.
Indian man (3): Nobody else is doing for him, but he created himself.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (3): And then he said, "I am in misery. I am in trouble." Trouble is created by you. Nobody has else created.
Prabhupāda: So that is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, that mind is the enemy and mind is the friend. So we created our mind, enemy or friend, and we suffer for that.
Indian man (3): Mind is very, very powerful. How to make use of that? Actually, mind is using the man; man is not using his mind.
Prabhupāda: In the Bhāgavata it is said, yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcana sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ (SB 5.18.12). In another line...
Harikeśa: Harāv abhakta?
Prabhupāda: Eh? Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā mano-rathenāsato dhāvato bahiḥ (SB 5.18.12). One who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has got all the good qualities. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcana sarvair guṇaiḥ: "All good qualities can be manifest." And harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ: "And one who is not devotee, he has no good qualities." "Why? He is so educated." No, mano-rathena: "He is hovering over the mind." Asato dhāvato bahiḥ: "He will stick to this asat." But the Vedic injunction is asato mā sad gamaya. He cannot go to the real platform of life. Asato bahiḥ. They do not understand that this godless civilization is the root cause of all calamities in the world. (Hindi with Indian men) Kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ. The Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ. Twenty-four hours you have to do that. But where is twenty-four hours?