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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Mahārāja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Mahārāja is dead, "Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru." Then he's finished. | | <div class="heading">So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Mahārāja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Mahārāja is dead, "Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru." Then he's finished. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay|Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Acyutānanda: What prompts the soul to misuse his independence or improperly use...?</p> | | |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Because he has got little independence. Yathecchasi tathā, he has got this.</p>
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| <p>Acyutānanda: Why do some misuse it and some never misuse it?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: That depends on him. If one is determined that "I shall only act according to the advice of my Guru Mahārāja," then he's perfect. One has to submit like Arjuna said, śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam ([[Vanisource:BG 2.7|BG 2.7]]). Otherwise he'll argue.</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay|Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Devotee: Even nitya-siddha has guru.</p>
| | Acyutānanda: What prompts the soul to misuse his independence or improperly use? |
| <p>Yaśomatīnandana: Even the liberated soul, nitya-siddha.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Liberated soul never says that "I am liberated." As soon as he says "liberated," he's a rascal. A liberated soul will never say that "I am liberated." That is liberated. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is God—guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsan ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 7.71|CC Adi 7.71]]). "My Guru Mahārāja saw Me a fool number one, and he has chastised Me." He's God. This is the example. If one remains always a servant ever-lastingly of guru, then he is liberated. And as soon as he thinks that he is liberated, he's a rascal. That is the teaching of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Guru more mūrkha dekhi'. Caitanya Mahāprabhu is mūrkha? Why He's posing Himself that mūrkha? "I am fool number one." That means that is liberation. You must be ready always to be chastised by guru. Then he's liberated. And as soon as he thinks that "I am beyond this chastisement, I am liberated," he's a rascal. Why Caitanya Mahāprabhu says guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsan? This is sahajiyā-vāda. He is thinking, "Oh I have become liberated. I don't require any direction of my guru. I'm liberated." Then he's rascal. Why this Gauḍīya Maṭha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that "This man should be the next ācārya." But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be ācārya. That is the failure. They never thought, "Why Guru Mahārāja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be ācārya?" They wanted to create artificially somebody ācārya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Mahārāja wanted to appoint somebody as ācārya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become ācārya. Then another man came, then another, ācārya, another ācārya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Mahārāja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Mahārāja is dead, "Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru." Then he's finished.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Because he has got little independence. ''Yathecchasi tathā'', he has got this. |
| <p>Yaśomatīnandana: They kept fighting, and when the real ācārya emerged they all became wonderstruck. They all became baffled. Now they all know in their hearts. They all know it. I can see. They all know that who is real ācārya.</p>
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| <p>Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: The real ācārya emerges by his own preaching?</p>
| | Acyutānanda: Why do some misuse it and some never misuse it? |
| <p>Devotee: Yes. (devotees offer obeisances)</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: That depends on him. If one is determined that, "I shall only act according to the advice of my Guru Mahārāja," then he's perfect. One has to submit like Arjuna said, ''śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam'' ([[Vanisource:BG 2.7 (1972)|BG 2.7]]). Otherwise he'll argue. |
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| | Devotee: Even ''nitya-siddha'' has ''guru'' in the spiritual . . . |
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| | Yaśomatīnandana: Even the liberated soul, ''nitya-siddha.'' |
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| | Prabhupāda: Liberated soul never says that, "I am liberated." As soon as he says "liberated," he's a rascal. A liberated soul will never say that "I am liberated." That is liberation. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is God—''guru'' ''more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsan'' ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 7.71|CC Adi 7.71]]): "My Guru Mahārāja saw Me fool number one, and he has chastised Me." He's God. This is the example. If one remains always a servant ever-lastingly of ''guru'', then he is liberated. And as soon as he thinks that he is liberated, he's a rascal. That is the teaching of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. ''Guru more mūrkha dekhi''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu is ''mūrkha''? Why He's posing Himself that ''mūrkha'', "I am fool number one"? That means that is liberation. You must be ready always to be chastised by ''guru''. Then he's liberated. And as soon as he thinks that, "I am beyond this chastisement. I am liberated," he's a rascal. Why Caitanya Mahāprabhu says ''guru'' ''more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsan''? This is ''sahajiyā-vāda.'' He is thinking, "Oh I have become liberated. I don't require any direction of my ''guru''. I'm liberated." Then he's rascal. Why this Gauḍīya Maṭha failed? Because they tried to become more than ''guru''. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that, "This man should be the next ''ācārya''." But these people, just after his passing away, they began to fight, who shall be ''ācārya''. That is the failure. They never thought, "Why Guru Mahārāja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be ''ācārya''?" They wanted to create artificially somebody ''ācārya'', and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Mahārāja wanted to appoint somebody as ''ācārya'', why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insisted on it. They declared some unfit person to become ''ācārya''. Then another man came, then another ''ācārya'', another ''ācārya''. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Mahārāja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Mahārāja is dead, "Now I am so advanced that I can kill my ''guru'' and I become." Then he's finished. |
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| | Yaśomatīnandana: They kept fighting, and when the real ''ācārya'' emerged they all became wonderstruck. They all became baffled. Now they all know in their hearts. They all know it. I can see. They all know that who is the real ''ācārya''. |
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| | Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: The real ''ācārya'' emerges by his own preaching? |
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| | Devotee: Yes. |
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| | Devotees: ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (devotees offer obeisances) |
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| | Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p> |
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