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<div class="heading">Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That's all.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 17.1-3 -- Honolulu, July 4, 1974|Lecture on BG 17.1-3 -- Honolulu, July 4, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]). That is the definition given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Everything, purity, impurity, everything is in the heart. If one, in impure condition he is thinking that "I have now become pure," that is rascaldom. But in the purity platform, even there is no Deity worship... Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva (Bs. 5.38). He sees Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Then Haridāsa... But we should not imitate that. We are in the lower stage. Therefore Deity worship required. Mean, if there is no temple, you can keep a small Deity in a small box and open it. After taking bath, sitting down, you can offer Him little patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26|BG 9.26]]). Little you can offer, little water. Where is the difficulty? Deity worship. You can worship Deity anywhere also. In a small box you can keep the Deity. And after taking bath you offer something. If you have nothing to offer, offer a little tulasī leaf. Or any leaf. That Kṛṣṇa says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me. The real thing is whether you are lover and devotee. Then Kṛṣṇa will accept anything you offer. It is not you have to cook very sumptuously, very rich food. Then Kṛṣṇa you'll offer. Kṛṣṇa is not after your food. Kṛṣṇa is after your devotion and faith. That can be created anywhere if you are actually sincere.</p>
 
<p>Sudāmā: There also is the position of or some question is raised as to how to actually follow the authority. What is the authority between...?</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That's all.</p>
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<p>Sudāmā: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master... The difference between, like we were discussing in the automobile of śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru.</p>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:740703_-_Lecture_BG_17.1-3_-_Melbourne|Lecture on BG 17.1-3 -- Melbourne, July 4, 1974]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">
<p>Prabhupāda: Then so śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru... A śikṣā-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual, he is not a śikṣā guru. He is a demon. Śikṣā-guru, dīkṣā-guru means... Sometimes a dīkṣā-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the śikṣā-guru. Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.</p>
That is the definition given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Every . . . purity, impurity, everything is in the heart. If one, in impure condition, he is thinking that, "I have now become pure," that is rascaldom. But in the purity platform, even there is no Deity worship . . . ''Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva'' (Bs 5.38).  
<p>Woman Devotee: People are instructing with these sessions?</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: (Ignoring question) Because that is offense. Guror avajñā. First offense is guror avajñā, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. Guror avajñā. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be śikṣā-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately. Guror avajñā śruti-śāstra-nindanam, nāmno balād yasya hi... You do not study all these things. You become initiated. There are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of guru. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible.</p>
He sees Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Then Haridāsa . . . (indistinct) . . . but we should not imitate that. We are in the lower stage. Therefore Deity worship required. Even if there is no temple, you can keep small Deity in a small box and open it. After taking bath . . . (indistinct) . . . you can offer Him little ''patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam'' ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]).  
<p>Woman Devotee: Can we just have the chanting without instructions?</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: What is that?</p>
Little you can offer, little water. Where is the difficulty, Deity worship? You can worship Deity anywhere also. In a small box you can keep the Deity. And after taking bath you offer something. If you have nothing to offer, offer a little ''tulasī'' leaf. Or any leaf. That Kṛṣṇa says, ''patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me''. The real thing is whether you are lover and devotee. Then Kṛṣṇa will accept anything you offer. It is not you have to cook very sumptuously, very rich food, then Kṛṣṇa you'll offer. Kṛṣṇa is not after your food. Kṛṣṇa is after your devotion and faith. That can be created anywhere if you are actually sincere.
<p>Sudāmā: She wants to know actually that should they just have the chanting without reading your books or without instruction or following the program.</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: But that chanting must be pure. Your guru is writing books. If you think, "There is no necessity of reading books," that is guror avajñā. Do you means to say I am writing these books whole night for selling and making money? What do you think like that?</p>
Sudāmā: There also is the position of, or some question is raised as to how actually follow the authority. What is the authority between . . .?
<p>Woman Devotee: So there should just be chanting and reading of the books.</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
Prabhupāda: Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That's all.
<p>Woman Devotee: But how much comment?</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
Sudāmā: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master . . . the position of . . . the difference between, like we were discussing in the automobile, of ''śikṣā'' and ''dīkṣā-guru''. There is sometimes . . .
<p>Sudāmā: She says that how much comment should there be for reading the books. In other... Actually the situation is that to be proper śikṣā, means that one must give instruction as the spiritual master. He has to follow your program, rising early...</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: we have already sung. Āra nā kariha mane āśā. Guru-mukha-padma **. What is that? Read.</p>
Prabhupāda: Then ''śikṣā'' and ''dīkṣā-guru'' . . . a ''śikṣā-guru'' who instructs against the instruction of spiritual . . . he is not a ''śikṣā-guru''. He is a demon. ''Śikṣā-guru'', ''dīkṣā-guru'' means . . . sometimes a ''dīkṣā-guru'' is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the ''śikṣā-guru''. ''Śikṣā-guru'' does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the ''dīkṣā-guru''. He is not a ''śikṣā-guru''. He is a rascal.
<p>Bhadra-vardhana: Āra nā kariha mane āśā **.</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah. Mean do not think otherwise. Whatever guru has said accept it, finally. Āra nā kariha mane āśā **. Don't divert from this. This is the instruction. How you can divert from the instruction of guru?</p>
Woman devotee: Well, people are instructing with these chanting sessions.
<p>Woman Devotee: So just read it, not comment.</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You read it or not read it, but you have to realize. Suppose one is illiterate. It cannot read. But he can follow... (end)</p>
Prabhupāda: Because that is offense. ''Guror'' ''avajñā''. First offense is ''guror avajñā'', defying the authority of ''guru''. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. ''Guror avajñā''. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be ''śikṣā-guru'' or anything else. He is finished, immediately. ''Guror avajñā śruti-śāstra-nindanam, nāmno balād yasya hi'' . . . (''Padma Purāṇa''). You do not study all these things. You become initiated . . . there are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of ''guru''. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible.
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Woman devotee: Can we just have the chanting without instructions?
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Prabhupāda: What is that?
 
Sudāmā: She wants to know actually that should they just have the chanting without reading your books or without instruction or following the program.
 
Prabhupāda: But that chanting must be pure. Your ''guru'' is writing books. If you think, "There is no necessity of reading books," that is ''guror avajñā''. Do you mean to say I am writing these books whole night for selling and making money? Why do you think like that?
 
Woman devotee: So there should just be chanting and reading of the books.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes.
 
Woman devotee: But how much comment?
 
Prabhupāda: Huh?
 
Sudāmā: She says that how much comment should there be for reading the books. In other . . . actually, the situation is that to be proper ''śikṣā'', means that one must give instruction as the spiritual master. He has to follow your program, rising early . . .
 
Prabhupāda: That we have already sung: ''āra nā kariha mane āśā''. ''Guru-mukha-padma''. What is that? Read.  
 
Bhadra-vardhana: ''Āra nā kariha mane āśā''.
 
Prabhupāda: Ah. But I do not think otherwise. Whatever ''guru'' has said, accept it, final. ''Āra nā kariha mane āśā''. Don't divert from this. This is infection. How you can divert from the instruction of ''guru''?
 
Woman devotee: So just read it, not comment.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes. You read it or not read it, but you have to realize. Suppose one is illiterate, he cannot read, but he can follow. Anyone can follow the instruction of ''guru''.</p>

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Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That's all.


Lecture on BG 17.1-3 -- Melbourne, July 4, 1974:

That is the definition given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Every . . . purity, impurity, everything is in the heart. If one, in impure condition, he is thinking that, "I have now become pure," that is rascaldom. But in the purity platform, even there is no Deity worship . . . Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva (Bs 5.38).

He sees Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Then Haridāsa . . . (indistinct) . . . but we should not imitate that. We are in the lower stage. Therefore Deity worship required. Even if there is no temple, you can keep small Deity in a small box and open it. After taking bath . . . (indistinct) . . . you can offer Him little patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam (BG 9.26).

Little you can offer, little water. Where is the difficulty, Deity worship? You can worship Deity anywhere also. In a small box you can keep the Deity. And after taking bath you offer something. If you have nothing to offer, offer a little tulasī leaf. Or any leaf. That Kṛṣṇa says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me. The real thing is whether you are lover and devotee. Then Kṛṣṇa will accept anything you offer. It is not you have to cook very sumptuously, very rich food, then Kṛṣṇa you'll offer. Kṛṣṇa is not after your food. Kṛṣṇa is after your devotion and faith. That can be created anywhere if you are actually sincere.

Sudāmā: There also is the position of, or some question is raised as to how actually follow the authority. What is the authority between . . .?

Prabhupāda: Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That's all.

Sudāmā: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master . . . the position of . . . the difference between, like we were discussing in the automobile, of śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru. There is sometimes . . .

Prabhupāda: Then śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru . . . a śikṣā-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual . . . he is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a demon. Śikṣā-guru, dīkṣā-guru means . . . sometimes a dīkṣā-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the śikṣā-guru. Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.

Woman devotee: Well, people are instructing with these chanting sessions.

Prabhupāda: Because that is offense. Guror avajñā. First offense is guror avajñā, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. Guror avajñā. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be śikṣā-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately. Guror avajñā śruti-śāstra-nindanam, nāmno balād yasya hi . . . (Padma Purāṇa). You do not study all these things. You become initiated . . . there are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of guru. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible.

Woman devotee: Can we just have the chanting without instructions?

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Sudāmā: She wants to know actually that should they just have the chanting without reading your books or without instruction or following the program.

Prabhupāda: But that chanting must be pure. Your guru is writing books. If you think, "There is no necessity of reading books," that is guror avajñā. Do you mean to say I am writing these books whole night for selling and making money? Why do you think like that?

Woman devotee: So there should just be chanting and reading of the books.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Woman devotee: But how much comment?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Sudāmā: She says that how much comment should there be for reading the books. In other . . . actually, the situation is that to be proper śikṣā, means that one must give instruction as the spiritual master. He has to follow your program, rising early . . .

Prabhupāda: That we have already sung: āra nā kariha mane āśā. Guru-mukha-padma. What is that? Read.

Bhadra-vardhana: Āra nā kariha mane āśā.

Prabhupāda: Ah. But I do not think otherwise. Whatever guru has said, accept it, final. Āra nā kariha mane āśā. Don't divert from this. This is infection. How you can divert from the instruction of guru?

Woman devotee: So just read it, not comment.

Prabhupāda: Yes. You read it or not read it, but you have to realize. Suppose one is illiterate, he cannot read, but he can follow. Anyone can follow the instruction of guru.