Prabhupāda: The energy is already existing. We don't require to think of what will happen. The energy is existing; why you bother yourself? Let the energy do this work. And actually it is being done. Just like that Mr. Johnson, he was president; he was always busy, "What will happen? What will happen?"
Now (indistinct) is over, and still the government is going on without him. The government is going on without him, but when he was in the government he was thinking, "Oh, how to do this?"
Karandhara: You might say the government is going on because he was conscientious like that when he was the president.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but without him the government can go on. Why does he not think like that?
Karandhara: (indistinct) think like that.
Prabhupāda: Hah?
Karandhara: Just like if I thought…, if I think I don't have to do anything because everything will go on anyway...
Prabhupāda: No. If you accept that energies are already there, then why should you bother? The energy will act automatically.
Karandhara: But I am also that energy, so I am acting because...
Prabhupāda: But when you are not acting, the energy is still going on. So your acting or no acting, it doesn't matter.
Karandhara: What if I say that, "It doesn't matter whether I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa or not, because the energy is the same"?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They are same. But we do not belong to that; we belong to—what is called—discriminating human being. We want to create something for advancement of the living entities. We want advancement. Advancement means I have to do that. Therefore if I want to go, advance, I have to work. Your working will not do. My working is there—if I want to advance.
Karandhara: (indistinct)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So planning, planning for something is necessary. Without planning, thinking that there are energies everywhere...
Prabhupāda: Planning...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We cannot just...
Prabhupāda: Planning is necessary. But that planning should be within the big planning. You cannot plan anything independently.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Hmm.
Karandhara: In relation.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause) So prove existence of God by this law of relativity.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Actually, everything is working under the laws of nature. Nothing remains stopped. Everything works.
Prabhupāda: Nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savya-sācin (BG 11.33), that is the instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā. When Arjuna was declining to fight, Kṛṣṇa ultimately says that "Don't think that all these men who have gathered here, they'll go home. It is already planned they have to die. You fight or not fight, they'll die. That plan is already made." (indistinct Sanskrit) We have to endeavor for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and nothing else. Everything is there.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: That is required. Because we are living entity, we have got a little independence. By misuse of independence we have become out of Kṛṣṇa's appreciation. So we have to try for that, to again go back to the association. Nothing else. Other things will go on. We don't require to become a scientist or physist or this or… We don't require.
We simply require to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That is your only business. (break) ...scientists. (laughing) Scientists, they are trying to create this (indistinct). I think them(?) going on. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). You simply surrender—that is your business. No other business.
- vyavasāyātmikā buddhir
- ekeha kuru-nandana
- bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca
- buddhayo 'vyavasāyinām
- (BG 2.41)