Prabhupāda: Machine is working, nature is working, that much they can see. And behind the machine there is operator . . . (indistinct) . . . . what is your answer? What the atheist will say? Has the atheist any experience that any machine works without operator? Has he got any experience?
Paramahaṁsa: No.
Prabhupāda: Then why does he say?
Paramahaṁsa: But this whole universe—we cannot compare this whole universe with any machine created by man.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Why you bring man? This machine is being operated . . . created and being operated by God.
Paramahaṁsa: Well, we don't have any experience of such a machine.
Prabhupāda: Huh? What do you mean by machine? First of all define what is your idea of machine. Just like the other day we saw, we saw the Thomson Press, they're being printed, being collected, and so many things are being done. It is like this. By machine the seasonal changes are going on, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, the water in the ocean, the waves are there. Everything, machine working. It is machine. Everything being systematically done. Such a big ocean, vast water, it is just on the brink, no more. It is so organized. The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on like that. (break) "Today is ekādaśī, eleventh day of the moon; the moon shall be like this." There one can see the moon and he can calculate, "Today is ekādaśī." This is not machine? It is exactly, machine.
Paramahaṁsa: But the thing is that this machine is so wonderful that it goes on without an operator.
Prabhupāda: That is your dullness! You are rascal, you cannot understand how the machine is working, how big it is. That is your dullness. But it is a machine, very big machine. You cannot understand—that is not, that this is not a machine. This is not very good argument, that "I cannot understand, therefore it is not a machine." But you see the idea machine is there already, everything is going on—machine.
Śrutakīrti: It is such a good machine it doesn't require an operator.
Paramahaṁsa: That is the wonder of it.