Indian reporter (1): Swamiji, tell us something good this āśrama, that you're doing.
Prabhupāda: Let Mahāṁśa . . . Where is Mahāṁśa? Āśrama means an attempt to give some light. That is the difference . . .
Indian reporter (3): According to us, even in lightness there is darkness. Even in that it can be.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not light. That is called . . .
Indian reporter (3): There also it can grow from one level to higher level.
Prabhupāda: That is ābhāsa. Ābhāsa. Just like in the morning there is no full sunshine, but there is some glimpse of light. That is not real light. Real light is full sunshine, but before the sun rises fully there is some light. That light and this light different. We have to come to the full light. Then our life will be success. Not partial light. That will not help. The full light you can get from the Supreme Person, Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Ramachandra: Jyotiṣām api taj jyotis tamasaḥ param ucyate.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Yes.
Dr. Ramachandra: Jñānaṁ jñeyaṁ jñāna-gamyaṁ hṛdi sarvasya viṣṭhitam.
Prabhupāda: So you take light from Kṛṣṇa. And that is full light, and you'll be happy. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.