Amogha: Everyone is cheating, but when they find out that the leaders are cheating, everyone becomes upset.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayadharma: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you have said that it's impossible to become rich unless one is a cheater. And yet we have our business, Spiritual Sky business. So how is it possible to carry on business and not become a cheater?
Prabhupāda: You can cheat. (laughter) You can cheat. For Kṛṣṇa's sake we can cheat also. But don't be caught. (chuckles) Then it will be scandalous.
Gaṇeśa: Thank you. Kṛṣṇa is the biggest cheat.
Prabhupāda: Yes, He is big in everything, but you should not imitate, because you are not as big as Kṛṣṇa. Tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya (SB 10.33.29). He is very powerful. Before His power, everything becomes vanished. He remains powerful. But you cannot do that. "Kṛṣṇa is biggest cheater; therefore I shall become a cheater." That is not good policy. Then you will be finished. Just like the example is given that Lord Śiva drunk the ocean of poison, and if you drink a drop, you will die. You cannot imitate the most powerful. That is not possible.
Jayadharma: You told us once in Sydney a few years ago, Śrīla Prabhupāda...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayadharma: You told Madhudviṣa Swami once in Sydney a few years ago that actually you're the biggest cheater, because you're stealing away all our māyā.
Prabhupāda: What is that? I am...
Amogha: He says that once you told Madhudviṣa Swami that you are the best cheater because you are taking away all our māyā and making us devotees.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. That kind of cheating is very good. (long pause) Christ also spoke about nivṛtti-mārga: "Thou shall not kill," because they were practiced to kill, and still they are practiced to killing. The first thing is, "Thou shall not kill." The same thing, "Thou shall not covet."
Amogha: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Is the Bible..., we accept that as scripture, but is it all correct, or has it been mistranslated or...?
Prabhupāda: It is being misinterpreted still now. That means it was violated from the very beginning. And they are violating. "Thou shall not kill"—he is killing. That's all. That is the position.
Paramahaṁsa: They also have that "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
Prabhupāda: Yes. And they are very expert in doing that. That is advanced civilization. Now they are marrying man to man and accepting homosex, so what is the value now of this priestly class?
Paramahaṁsa: They have another thing now where they..., a man goes to the doctor and has an operation to change his sex from man to woman.
Prabhupāda: Sex. Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: Or from woman to man. That's called transvestites.
Prabhupāda: That is going on?
Paramahaṁsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Successful?
Paramahaṁsa: Yes, sometimes. Sometimes they have some difficulties, but they have had many successful operations. (break) ...change into a woman. She can't have... It can't have a baby. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: They are doing?
Paramahaṁsa: Well, they're changing, but they can't become pregnant. That's the only thing. They take these special hormones, and then they can grow breasts and everything, just like a woman. But they can't become pregnant.