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| {{terms|"Saguna means"}} | | {{terms|"''Saguṇa'' means"|"''saguṇa'' means"}} |
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| [[Category:Vaniquotes Sanskrit Dictionary S-T-U]] | | [[Category:Vaniquotes Sanskrit Dictionary S-T-U]] |
| [[Category:Material|3]] | | [[Category:Material|3]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Lectures, 1966 - 1977]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Lectures, 1971]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Lectures, 1974]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Lectures, Festival]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Lectures, Srimad-Bhagavatam]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - in India, Bombay]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - in India, Gorakhpur]] |
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| <div id="Lectures" class="section" sec_index="4" parent="compilation" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2> | | <div id="Lectures" class="section" sec_index="4" parent="compilation" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">Saguṇa means māyā. | | <div class="heading">Saguṇa means māyā. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.3 -- Bombay, December 15, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.3 -- Bombay, December 15, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We are rendering service. Either you are rendering service in office, or to your family, or to your cat, or to your dog, or to your government, or to your society—you must be giving some service. There is no escape. But that is saguṇa service, under these material laws. So you have to give nirguṇa service. If you give nirguṇa, then you become nirguṇa.</p> | | |
| <p>Then what is that nirguṇa? When you render service to Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| :māṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa | | <mp3player>https://vanipedia.s3.amazonaws.com/clip/741215SB-BOMBAY_clip.mp3</mp3player> |
| :bhakti-yogena sevate | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.3 -- Bombay, December 15, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.3 -- Bombay, December 15, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| :sa guṇān samatītyaitān | | We are rendering service. Either you are rendering service in office, or to your family, or to your cat, or to your dog, or to your government, or to your society—you must be giving some service. There is no escape. But that is ''saguṇa'' service, under these material laws. So you have to give ''nirguṇa'' service. If you give ''nirguṇa'', then you become ''nirguṇa''. |
| :brahma-bhūyāya kalpate | | |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]]) | | Then what is that ''nirguṇa''? When you render service to Kṛṣṇa. |
| <p>It is not difficult at all. You can become immediately nirguṇa as soon as you engage in the service of the Lord. And so long you keep yourself in that position, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you remain nirguṇa. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te ([[Vanisource:BG 7.14|BG 7.14]]). Saguṇa means māyā. Kṛṣṇa says, mām eva ye prapadyante: "One who surrenders to Me," māyām etāṁ taranti, "no māyā touching, no in contamination of māyā." Māyām etāṁ taranti. There is nirguṇa. Nirguṇa means be engaged in the devotional, loving devotional service of Kṛṣṇa. That is... Then you are svarūpa-darśana, ātma-darśanam. That is your ātma-darśanam, nirguṇa. Prakṛteḥ paraḥ. As Kṛṣṇa is prakṛteḥ paraḥ... Prakṛteḥ... Prakṛti means this material world, and paraḥ means transcendental. So prakṛteḥ paraḥ. You cannot serve Kṛṣṇa unless you also become prakṛteḥ paraḥ, not within this material world.</p>
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| | :''māṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa'' |
| | :''bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate'' |
| | :''sa guṇān samatītyaitān'' |
| | :''brahma-bhūyāya kalpate'' |
| | :([[vanisource:BG 14.26 (1972)|BG 14.26]]) |
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| | It is not difficult at all. You can become immediately ''nirguṇa'' as soon as you engage in the service of the Lord. And so long you keep yourself in that position, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you remain ''nirguṇa. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[vanisource:BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). ''Saguṇa'' means ''māyā''. Kṛṣṇa says, ''mām eva ye prapadyante'': "One who surrenders to Me," ''māyām etāṁ taranti'', "no ''māyā ''touching; no in contamination of ''māyā." Māyām etāṁ taranti''. There is ''nirguṇa. Nirguṇa'' means be engaged in the devotional . . . loving devotional service of Kṛṣṇa. That is . . . then you are ''svarūpa-darśana, ātma-darśana''. That is your ''ātma-darśana, nirguṇa. Prakṛteḥ para''. As Kṛṣṇa is ''prakṛteḥ para . . . prakṛteḥ . . . prakṛti'' means this material world, and para means transcendental. So ''prakṛteḥ para''. You cannot serve Kṛṣṇa unless you also become ''prakṛteḥ parḥ'', not within this material world.</p> |
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| <div class="heading">Saguṇa means material, and nirguṇa means spiritual. | | <div class="heading">Saguṇa means material, and nirguṇa means spiritual. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So here there is one word, brahmaṇaḥ saguṇasya. These twenty-four or twenty-five material elements is covering the Brahman, and therefore he is called saguṇa. There are two words generally used, saguṇa and nirguṇa. Saguṇa means material, and nirguṇa means spiritual. So in the Bhagavad-gītā Arjuna is advised to come to the platform of nirguṇa. Traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna. That is the aim of life. We are also Brahman. We are part and parcel of Brahman, Supreme Brahman; therefore we are also Brahman. Brahman realization is not very difficult thing, provided we want to realize. And how we want? You take instruction from the Bhagavad-gītā, and if you accept it, then immediately your Brahman realization is there. Kṛṣṇa says that "These jīvas, they are My part and parcel." So if Kṛṣṇa is Brahman, Para-brahman, then we are Brahman. If we accept this... We have to accept because that is the constitutional position. We are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.</p> | | |
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;"><br /> |
| | So here there is one word, ''brahmaṇaḥ saguṇasya''. These twenty-four or twenty-five material elements is covering the Brahman, and therefore he is called ''saguṇa''. There are two words generally used: ''saguṇa'' and ''nirguṇa''. ''Saguṇa'' means material, and ''nirguṇa'' means spiritual. So in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' Arjuna is advised to come to the platform of ''nirguṇa. Traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna'' ([[vanisource:BG 2.45 (1972)|BG 2.45]]). That is the aim of life. We are also Brahman. We are part and parcel of Brahman, Supreme Brahman; therefore we are also Brahman. Brahman realization is not very difficult thing, provided we want to realize. And how we want? You take instruction from the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', and if you accept it, then immediately your Brahman realization is there. Kṛṣṇa says that, "These ''jīvas'', they are My part and parcel." So if Kṛṣṇa is Brahman, Para-brahman, then we are Brahman. If we accept this . . . we have to accept, because that is the constitutional position. We are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.</p> |
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| <div class="heading">Saguṇa means saguṇa Brahman. | | <div class="heading">Saguṇa means saguṇa Brahman. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So we should always remember, when we speak of saguṇa, saguṇa means saguṇa Brahman. Saguṇa Brahman means we, the living entities, not Kṛṣṇa or Bhagavān. He is not saguṇa. He is always nirguṇa. Etat īśasya īśanam. This is the supremacy of the Supreme Person, that although He comes within this material world, incarnates as incarnation, He is not affected by the material qualities. That is īśanam. Otherwise how He is īśvara? Īśvara means controller. If, when He comes in the material world, if He becomes controlled by the material nature, then how He is controller? He is not controller. Then He becomes controlled. We are controlled. Kṛṣṇa is never controlled. He is always the controller. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ (Bs. 5.1). Īśvara means controller. So He is the supreme controller. He is the controller of these energies also, māyā. So how He can be under māyā? This is mistaken theory. Kṛṣṇa is always supreme, Adhokṣaja. Kṛṣṇa's another name is Adhokṣaja.</p> | | |
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.15 -- Bombay, December 24, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;"><br /> |
| | So we should always remember, when we speak of ''saguṇa'', ''saguṇa'' means ''saguṇa'' Brahman. ''Saguṇa'' Brahman means we, the living entities, not Kṛṣṇa, or Bhagavān. He is not ''saguṇa''; He is always ''nirguṇa. Etat īśasya īśanam''. This is the supremacy of the Supreme Person, that although He comes within this material world, incarnates as incarnation, He is not affected by the material qualities. That is ''īśanam''. Otherwise how He is ''īśvara? Īśvara'' means controller. If, when He comes in the material world, if He becomes controlled by the material nature, then how He is controller? Huh? He is not controller. Then He becomes controlled. We are controlled. Kṛṣṇa is never controller . . . er, controlled. He is always the controller. ''Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ. Īśvara'' means controller. So He is the supreme controller. He is the controller of these energies also, ''māyā''. So how He can be under ''māyā''? This is mistaken theory. Kṛṣṇa is always supreme, Adhokṣaja. Kṛṣṇa's another name is Adhokṣaja.</p> |
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| <div class="heading">Saguṇa means, according to their version, or a standard version, saguṇa means the material quality. They worship saguṇa-rūpa. Saguṇa means forms of this material world. | | <div class="heading">Saguṇa means, according to their version, or a standard version, saguṇa means the material quality. They worship saguṇa-rūpa. Saguṇa means forms of this material world. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada's Appearance Day, SB 6.3.24 -- Gorakhpur, February 15, 1971|His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada's Appearance Day, SB 6.3.24 -- Gorakhpur, February 15, 1971]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Mālatī: This lecture was recorded on February 15, 1971, in the morning, and it was in Gorakhpur, in U.P., India. It was on the occasion of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī's Appearance Day. That day, we fasted in the morning up till noon time. Then we offered a regular noon meal, and in the evening time there was the feast of four preparations: puris, halavā, vegetable, and chutney.</p> | | |
| <p>Prabhupāda:</p>
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| :etāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya puṁsāṁ
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| :saṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada's Appearance Day, SB 6.3.24 -- Gorakhpur, February 15, 1971|His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada's Appearance Day, SB 6.3.24 -- Gorakhpur, February 15, 1971]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| :vikruśya putram aghavān yad ajāmilo 'pi
| | Last night, somebody was discussing with me ''saguṇa'' and ''nirguṇa''. ''Saguṇa'' means, according to their version, or a standard version, ''saguṇa'' means the material quality. They worship ''saguṇa-rūpa''. ''Saguṇa'' means forms of this material world. ''Sādhakānāṁ hitārthāya brāhmaṇa-rūpa-kalpanaḥ''. ''Kalpanaḥ''. |
| :nārāyaṇeti mriyamāṇa iyāya muktim
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| :([[Vanisource:SB 6.3.24|SB 6.3.24]])
| | According to Māyāvādī school, the Absolute Truth is imperson. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is also said, ''kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām'', ''adhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām'' ([[vanisource:BG 12.5 (1972)|BG 12.5]]). Say, for meditation, it is very difficult to meditate on impersonal feature. Therefore, they artificially think like that: "I am the whole. I am moving the star, I am moving the moon." Or some color display is taking place. Artificially. This meditation is artificial. Therefore, they do not get any result. Simply waste time, and they remain the number one debauch, as they are. |
| <p>So we have concluded this verse, that Yamarāja says that the holy name of the Personality of Godhead, Bhāgavata, not only His name, but also His activities and His qualities, these qualities... Last night, somebody was discussing with me saguṇa and nirguṇa. Saguṇa means, according to their version, or a standard version, saguṇa means the material quality. They worship saguṇa-rūpa. Saguṇa means forms of this material world. Sādhakānāṁ hitārthāya brāhmaṇa-rūpa-kalpanaḥ.(?) Kalpanaḥ. According to Māyāvādī school, the Absolute Truth is imperson. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is also said, kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām, adhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām ([[Vanisource:BG 12.5|BG 12.5]]). Say, for meditation, it is very difficult to meditate on impersonal feature. Therefore, they artificially think like that: "I am the whole. I am moving the stars, I am moving the moon." Or some color display is taking place. Artificially. This meditation is artificial. Therefore, they do not get any result. Simply waste time, and they remain the number one debauch, as they are. So this kind of meditation... Because they will not put any form... "The Brahman is impersonal." So how they can think of any form? It is very difficult to adjust. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says, kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām ([[Vanisource:BG 12.5|BG 12.5]]). They want to meditate upon impersonal Brahman, but it is very troublesome. Because Brahman is not impersonal, but force, they want to make Brahman impersonal.</p>
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| | So this kind of meditation . . . because they will not put any form . . . "The Brahman is impersonal." So how they can think of any form? It is very difficult to adjust. Therefore B''hagavad-gītā'' says, ''kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām'' ([[vanisource:BG 12.5 (1972)|BG 12.5]]). They want to meditate upon impersonal Brahman, but it is very troublesome. Because Brahman is not impersonal, but force, they want to make Brahman imperson.</p> |
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