Hari-śauri: Yes. We have a natural right to understand God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. There is natural right, and they are checking. That is violence. To check one from his rightful position is violence. That is called hiṁsā, that... Kṛṣṇa therefore says, amānitvam adambitvam ahiṁsā. You should not check anybody from his natural advancement, spiritual life. That is ahiṁsā.
Satsvarūpa: What about the platform of just not killing anyone? Is there any credit to that?
Prabhupāda: You are not killed. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, "Who kills and who is killed?"
Satsvarūpa: But, say for political reasons, Stalin would kill.
Prabhupāda: No, that is politics, that.
Satsvarūpa: But Gandhi would say, "No, don't kill because..."
Prabhupāda: Gandhi's a rascal. Therefore he is failure. "In politics there is no violence"—that is another rascaldom.
Rāmeśvara: How has India improved by independence? What is the improvement? They are more godless than ever.
Prabhupāda: No, he... He... When the Hindus approached him that "You have got so much influence over the Muhammadans. Stop cow-killing," he replied, "How can I stop their cow-killing? It is their religion." Just see. He accepted something as religion which is killing. He's such a rascal.
Hari-śauri: And he was nonviolent.
Prabhupāda: He was nonviolent. "In the name of religion, one can kill." This is his philosophy. He was a politician. That's all. And he indulged personally in mercy killing in his āśrama. One calf was suffering, and he asked, "Kill him. He's very much suffering." Mercy killing. He was a rascal. But we don't say publicly, because he is very much... Sometimes we say.
Hari-śauri: (laughs) Sometimes.