Prabhupāda: We are created as being controlled. So instead of aspiring to become controller, if we remain controlled, that is our natural position. But some rascals, they are trying to become controller, "I am . . . by meditation I have become God." But if you are a God, then how you have become dog? This is going on. The cheating, the so-called svāmīs. Do they not say, "I am God"? Do they not say: "I am God. You are God. Everyone God"?
Reporter (2): No, some . . . some might say that, but . . .
Prabhupāda: But some of them; I am talking, the some of them. Some of them are not all foolish. Some of them are foolish. So these foolish persons, they say that, "I am God. You are God. Everyone is God." That is foolishness. We are not God. We are part and parcel of God, qualitatively one. But we are not the Supreme Being. We are living being, but not Supreme Being.
Reporter (2): God is inside us.
Prabhupāda: God is inside, outside, everywhere.
Reporter (3): Who do you think Jesus Christ was?
Prabhupāda: Now, let us finish one. Jesus Christ himself said that he is son of God. That's all right. That's all right.
Reporter (2): But if you take a drop of water and you merge it back into an ocean . . . this is an example that is often given, I think, by these masters, that if you take a drop of water and you put it into an ocean, that drop becomes one with that ocean.
Prabhupāda: The drop of water becomes ocean?
Reporter (2): No, but it becomes merged in that ocean.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. Merging is different. But the ocean remains the ocean.
Reporter (2): Yes.
Prabhupāda: And you remain the drop, that's all. Because . . . now, suppose your body, material body—earth, water, air, fire—now, when this body will be decomposed, so this form will not remain. Does it mean that your body has become the whole universal material elements?
Reporter (2): No. But surely body is different from soul.
Prabhupāda: That body is a drop in the bigger material elements. That does not mean your body has become the whole material elements. Similarly, a drop of ocean water is drop always. It does not become ocean. It appears that it is mixed up, but mixed up does not mean the drop will become as ocean. That is not the fact.
Reporter (3): When they say the drop mixes with the ocean . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Reporter (3): . . . it's like the human finite form merging with the infinite, and then it acquires the powers of infinite . . .
Prabhupāda: Mixes means . . . just like, the example is given: just like a green bird enters into a tree which is also green. So if . . . to my eyes it appears that the bird is mixed up, but actually that is not fact. Suppose an aeroplane, you see aeroplane is going on. Then, after some time you see there is no aeroplane; it is the same sky. It has mixed up. It has not mixed up. Your eyes are defective. It appears like mixed up, but it cannot mixed up. The airplane is keeping its identity. The bird is keeping its identity.