Prabhupāda: if he is innocent, if I say: "You do not know, this is . . ." "Oh," then he will accept. But he will protest, a rascal. Innocent will accept. Therefore the more one is innocent, simple, it is easy for him, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The more one is rascal, it is very difficult.
Upendra: Is one called Māyāvāda philosophy?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Upendra: Māyāvādīs, are they thinking like that, Kṛṣṇa is . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, "He is ordinary man. A little better than me, that's all." That Dr. Frog's philosophy. Atlantic was, "That's all right, may be little one feet more than this well, that's all." He cannot imagine that millions of wells will be not compared. That he cannot begin. He says: "Yes, it may be bigger, say one foot bigger, two feet bigger. All right, ten feet bigger; make compromise." That's all. He will never think that beyond his estimation. Never think. He'll simply calculate, "All right, if not one, two feet, three feet. All right, ten feet." And the friend will say: "No, no, it is very, very great."
Śyāmasundara: Once you said . . . you quoted one verse in Māyāpur and you said that everyone is dancing under Kṛṣṇa's direction. I forgot your explanation.
Prabhupāda:
- ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya
- yāre yaiche nācāya, se taiche kare nṛtya
- (CC Adi 5.142)
Kṛṣṇa is so kind. As Māyāvādī philosopher you want to do something, Kṛṣṇa will "All right, dance in this way. Dance. All right, dance. You talk like this." Kṛṣṇa gives him capacity to talk. Otherwise, he cannot talk even. So Kṛṣṇa gives him intelligence, counterargument: "All right, let the rascal speak as he likes." Therefore, yāre yaiche nācāya: He is allowing to dance everyone as he desires.
But He says that, "You give up all this nonsense, you simply surrender unto Me." That is His version. Otherwise, if you want to dance, "All right, I give you facility to dance." The karmīs are dancing. "All right, dance." The jñānīs are dancing. "All right, dance. Go on speculating, but you will never understand Me."