Prabhupāda: Here is the solution: Kṛṣṇa says: "I give you protection. You surrender." But this process they will not accept. They will not surrender to God. They will suffer, and their followers will suffer. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās (SB 7.5.31): blind leader leading other blind men. So how they will get relief? Both the leader and the followers will go to hell. That's all.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So that means the right person from whom the real knowledge can be . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . obtained.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Right person means Kṛṣṇa. He is missing Kṛṣṇa. Asuras. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15): lowest of the mankind, miscreants, rascals and atheist. This class of men will never surrender. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. So we take them . . .
They may advertise themselves as very advanced scientist, but we take them: miscreants, rascal, lowest of the mankind and lost of real knowledge. That is our definition for them. Not that unnecessarily we are appeasing them, glorying them. What Kṛṣṇa says, we are simply repeating Kṛṣṇa's words. That's all.
If Kṛṣṇa is authority, if Kṛṣṇa is God, then these four words for them are facts. Because we can see by the symptoms they will never surrender to God; therefore they come to these four categories of men: miscreants, rascals, lowest of the mankind and lost of real knowledge.
Real knowledge, athāto brahma jijñāsā. Let them inquire about the supreme source of everything. That they are neglecting. They cannot answer. Everything "perhaps," "maybe." But here is the supreme source present. He says, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate (BG 10.8), that the . . . ahaṁ asama-agre (SB 2.9.33). These things they will not accept.