Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: To worship means to follow the instructions, and they...
Prabhupāda: Do they follow?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...do not follow the instructions.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The... Do they follow the Ten Commandments?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Trivikrama: They say, "You cannot. It is not possible. Only you have to accept Christ. Then you will be saved."
Acyutānanda: As Lord Zetland.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Acyutānanda: Lord Zetland said, "It is not possible..."
Trivikrama: It is not possible.
Acyutānanda: ...to give up meat and illicit..."
Prabhupāda: Then? Where is Christian?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We are. We are the Christians.
Pañcadraviḍa: Well, they say then, "You can't do any of these things, so you have to accept Christ in your heart."
Acyutānanda: That was my challenge, that "We are doing them better than all of you, so you... That's..."
Prabhupāda: No, if you keep God or Christ within your heart, then your heart will be purified. That means you are cheating.
Trivikrama: Yeah.
Pañcadraviḍa: Yeah, that's what it boils down to.
Prabhupāda: You are all cheaters, not Christians, but cheaters. You do not keep in the heart Christ's name or God's name, but you keep your own ideas. Therefore you think it is impossible. Otherwise, your heart would have been cleansed. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12).
- śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
- puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ
- hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi
- vidhunoti (suhṛt satām)
- (SB 1.2.17)
Anyone who is keeping Kṛṣṇa within his heart, he becomes cleansed of all dirty things. And because the dirty things are there, that means he is not keeping.
Acyutānanda: You know the Cardinal that you spoke with in Paris?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Acyutānanda: You know how he died?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: So.
Brahmānanda: It has happenned again.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Brahmānanda: Just when I was in Germany, a big Bishop in France, he was also found in a similar... He had died in a similar circumstance.
Pañcadraviḍa: Worse state.
Brahmānanda: Worse, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, these things are... And in Vṛndāvana, one big Gosvāmī, he died at the house of her (his) one woman disciple, lying there, sleeping with her. There are so many.
Pañcadraviḍa: That's how this Bishop died also. He died unclothed.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Trivikrama: And he was saying that animals have no soul.
Prabhupāda: You were present that time?
Trivikrama: I heard the tape. So now he is an animal. He knows.