Student (1): Yeah, but somebody else will say, "You come to us, and I'll do this to you, and you'll see God."
Prabhupāda: We do... We are not concerned with "some." We are concerned with the authorities, that's all. Somebody says, "He is not your father." We are not concerned. My mother says, "He is father." That's all.
Student (1): Yeah, but if my mother tells me, I only believe it...
Prabhupāda: Then you are unfortunate. If your mother tells you lies, then you are unfortunate.
Student (1): Yeah, but I only believe her because I give her the authority. You make Bhagavad-gītā your...
Prabhupāda: But generally we have to believe. Generally we have to believe mother; there is no other way. To understand the father, generally you have to accept the statement of mother. If your mother tells you lies, that is misfortune.
Student (1): Yeah, but you're not giving us any sort of answer. You're just sort of saying, "Believe in us, assume that you believe in us." So why don't you give us an answer?
Prabhupāda: No, believe... You have to believe. You have to believe. Otherwise you cannot make progress. You have to believe.
Student (1): But say you're in a position of not particularly believing in anybody. I mean there's loads of organizations going around, "Believe in us..."
Prabhupāda: No, if you don't believe, that is a different thing
Revatīnandana: No, what he's saying is this. Now he's saying also, this Guru Maharajaji, he says, "You believe in me, and I'll show you everything." Now he's saying that... What he's accusing is...
Prabhupāda: But who cares for the Guru Mahārāja?
Revatīnandana: He cares.
Prabhupāda: Here is Nārada, Devala, Vyāsa, authority.
Student (3): No, we're not saying we do, but some people do, anyway.
Student (1): Yeah, they'll argue just as convincingly as you.
Prabhupāda: But everyone can say, "I am God." Then how you'll understand? If Guru Mahārāja says, I can say also. He can say. Then go on studying who is God. The same question: Everyone says, "I am your father," "I am your father," "I am your father," but whom you have to believe? You have to believe only mother.
Student (1): Okay, well who's the mother in this case?
Revatīnandana: The śāstra, revealed scriptures. They give information about the father.
Prabhupāda: śāstra-cakṣuṣā.
Student (1): What about the Bible? That'll tell me something else, altogether.
Revatīnandana: No, it won't. It will tell you almost identical information. If you go in the Bible, it will say, "God is your father." Father means he is sufficient to beget a son. Now, if God is a void, how can a son come out from a void? But if God is a person, then he can have son.