Jayatīrtha: I don't know. They came here recently. It wasn't there a few months. . . Oh, they're tearing down that pier. They're tearing down that amusement park. (break)
Jayādvaita: The scientists say that material nature is supreme, but because we're unable to accept nature as the supreme entity, different cultures have gotten different ideas of God. They've made these things up. So the Greeks had one idea, the Romans had another idea, the Indians had one idea. So we've accepted that instead of accepting nature, although nature is actually the supreme.
Prabhupāda: No, God is realized only by the devotees. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ (BG 18.55). So actually, God is realized through devotion. There is no other way. So in the proportion of one's development of devotional spirit, one realizes God. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham (BG 4.11). The proportion, devotion required. But real process is devotion.
Jayādvaita: But how can that be scientifically presented? How can we accept that scientifically?
Prabhupāda: No, no, these rascal scientists, they cannot understand God. Those who were actually advanced, just like Professor Einstein and others, they believed so, that there is God, there is brain. (break) . . .somebody was talking about another scientist, big scientist? Who was talking about?
Jayādvaita: That Wernher Von Braun.
Prabhupāda: Ah, hah.
Jayādvaita: That space scientist, he has accepted that there must be God.
Prabhupāda: He has, yes. So those who are really scientist. . .
Kṛṣṇadāsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Using modern observatories or large telescopes, scientists have photographed other brahmāṇḍas. At least to my impression they appear to be other solar systems. Like they have a sun and planets around them. Does that mean the material covering between the different brahmāṇḍas is invisible?
Prabhupāda: Yes.