Jayatīrtha: If Kṛṣṇa is the source of both remembrance and forgetfulness . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. When Kṛṣṇa sees that, "Here is a rascal, so let him forget Me," so He will give him intelligence so that he can forget Kṛṣṇa for good. Not for good—at least for some time.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is the desire of the individual soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante (BG 4.11): "As one surrenders unto Me, according to that." Real process is surrender. So if you surrender with some reservation, with some ulterior motive, then Kṛṣṇa will give you proportionately intelligence.
When you are cent percent without any reservation surrender, then you get all facility, all help from Kṛṣṇa, without asking. Just like a small child, he is fully surrendered unto the parent. The parent looks after all the necessities. He doesn't ask anything. That is wanted. (break)
Jayatīrtha: . . . the six principles of surrender in devotional service.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is very important. What is the time?
Jayatīrtha: Seven minutes to seven. One of the six principles is that our interest must be the same in that we can't have any separate interest outside of the interest of the Lord. So that . . .
Prabhupāda: That is surrender. You have no personal interest.
Jayatīrtha: That would be another test of the spiritual master, is that if he has some interest outside of Kṛṣṇa's interest, then we can understand that he isn't surrendered.
Prabhupāda: Anyone. All these rascals come as guru. They say: "I am Kṛṣṇa." He has got his own interest. That is immediately disqualification, that he is a rascal. Kick him in his face, as soon as he says.
Jayatīrtha: Yes. If a person is surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, he won't take over Kṛṣṇa's post.