Prabhupāda: Then where is the prophet and where is the followers?
Guest (3): Well, see, the prophet is teaching the people about this and teaching them to live it.
Prabhupāda: That means people are not obeying the prophet.
Guest (3): Well, people are. We are.
Prabhupāda: Then how it is said that.... How they are killing animals? How the women are unchaste?
Guest (4): All people aren't following the prophet. All people in your belief aren't following you completely.
Prabhupāda: That is very nice. My point is that if we follow God—God's message is carried by prophet, and prophet if obeyed by the people—then the religion is in order. Otherwise it is a bogus religion.
Guest (3): Well, I think we would agree there.
Prabhupāda: We must follow; then it is all right. We don't follow, and still we rubberstamp, "I am Christian. I am this. I am that." This is the disease.
Guest (3): Would you agree that Christ is the greatest master of all?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We accept him as our guru.
Guest (3): What is the...
Prabhupāda: Guru means prophet, yes.
Guest (3): What about a savior?
Prabhupāda: Savior? Who saves the followers from the danger of materialistic way of life, which means transmigration of the soul from one body to another.
Guest (3): Do you believe in a resurrection?
Prabhupāda: Resurrection? What do you mean actually? But it is a fact that one, the soul, is changing from one body to another.
Guest (4): That's what.... We agree.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like you are young man. You had a body of a child. That child's body.... You remember that you had a body of a child, but that body is no longer existing. But you remember; therefore you, the owner of the body, is existing. Otherwise how do you remember, "I had a body like, like this," measurement? But that body is no longer existing, so you are remembering. So you are the owner of the body. Just like you have now black coat. Say after two days you may put on another color coat, but you remember that "I was putting on one black coat on that day." So you are existing; the coat is changed. Similarly, the soul is existing; the body is changed. Therefore it is natural that I am old man. When I change this body, I get another body. This is resurrection, if you say.
Guest (3): I believe that, yes. That's what we believe put in a philosophical way.
Prabhupāda: It is not belief, it is fact. You believe or not believe, it will take place.
Guest (4): Yes, that's right, it will take place.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (4): We just see it differently. We believe that after this life we'll be resurrected into a glorified, perfect body of flesh and bones and...
Prabhupāda: That's nice. That we say. We say twice, that.... Just last night I was discussing that this human form of life is to make our choice, whether we are going to get a body back to home, back to Godhead, or again we are going in the cycle of birth and death. This is our choice. If we act according to the orders of God, then we go to Him, back to home, back to Godhead. And if we still whimsically act, then I go again in the cycle of birth and death. That's a fact.
Guest (3): Well, we.... See, we desire and strive to follow out the orders of God.
Prabhupāda: That is perfection of life. But if we don't do that, then we are going again to the evolutionary process...
Guest (4): That's right.
Prabhupāda: ...of birth and death. It will depend on my action.
Guest (3): Exactly. Will you agree with this point, that we are not perfect?
Prabhupāda: Well, anyone who follows the order of God, he is perfect. Otherwise all are...
Guest (3): Can you be completely perfect and follow the orders perfectly?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not? Just like what is the order of God? God wants that "You shall always think of Me, 'The God is my Supreme Father.' " So what is the difficulty? Now, if you think, "God is the Supreme. God is the Supreme Father," if you think like that, where is the difficulty?
Guest (4): We believe that God is Supreme, He is like you say. But we believe we are constantly striving to become perfect, every day.
Prabhupāda: No, why constantly striving? God says that "You think of Me." So where is my difficulty to think of Him unless I am disobedient? I can think of God always. There is no difficulty. There is no expenditure. There is no disadvantage. But if I am rascal, I'll disobey. That is the.... If I am rascal, then I will disobey. I will not think of God. I'll think of something else.