Prabhupāda: Mano-rathenāsati dhāvato bahiḥ (SB 5.18.12). By his chariot of the mind he will be driven to this material consciousness. (break) . . . spiritual knowledge. Therefore we see big, big scientists, they are thinking that combination of matter can produce life. In spite of so much advanced learning, they do not know what is life. They cannot create life; still, they will theorize. How foolish they are. And as soon as you catch his throat, "Produce life," "No, we shall do it in future." Just see.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes people ask that, "If God is so great, then why doesn't He just come and destroy all the evil?"
Prabhupāda: Because you have to suffer. You are rascal. You must suffer. Therefore evil must be there.
Brahmānanda: Why doesn't He force us to be good?
Prabhupāda: Just like if the criminals and thieves say, "Why government has created this prison house?" Is it very good argument? It is for you, rascal. You are criminal. You must suffer. Why it is to be abolished? Otherwise who will suffer? It is for your suffering.
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil? Why doesn't God make us good?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil?
Prabhupāda: No, God says that, "You become devotee of Me." You do not become. That is your fault. Therefore you must . . . just like government does not say that you become criminal. Government says, "You become educated. You become high-court judge, become big officer." Why you become criminal, pickpocket? Does government give any education for becoming pickpocket? Hmm? Is there any institution how to steal, how to become pickpocket? (laughter) Then why do you become? Just see. (break) . . . eatables you can collect, and I shall show you how to cook in the cooker. One boy. You also see, because nobody will go there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa is getting his visa today. We hope.
Prabhupāda: So we can return. (break) Whole educational system is defective because there is no spiritual education. That has made everything impossible.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One young boy in Johannesburg wanted to join us. He is sixteen years old. So his headmaster said: "What you will do without an education?" They think that this is the greatest ignorance. These are the leaders of education, the headmaster.