Prabhupāda: No. (break in tape) ...God conscious. So the leaders suppressing. This is the present position. The leaders are more or less communists, and they are suppressing their natural outflow and that is the position now.
Professor La Combe: But I think that nowadays the situation in Calcutta is better. You would not have the same kind of difficulties this year I suppose.
Prabhupāda: No, it is easier now. In 1970, '69 there was no security. When you go out, there is no security whether you'll come back. Yes. You were at that time there? No.
Devotee: No, I arrived there just after. I arrived in Bombay when that was happening. The Naxalites...
Prabhupāda: Any man walking on the street can be killed. It was the situation.
Devotee: Especially any rich man or politician.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor La Combe: The Vice Chancellor of Jadavpur University was killed the day before I arrived in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: Old gentleman?
Professor La Combe: Yes. And he was retiring. He was still in activity, but he was soon retiring, and he was walking from the University campus to his home, not far, a short walk. And he was killed by one of these...
Prabhupāda: Naxalites.
Professor La Combe: Naxalites or somebody of the same kind. I don't know exactly. And he was not a politician at all. He had no political activities.
Devotee: Still, nowadays, they are having strikes every day, big marches, processions.
Professor La Combe: Oh, strikes, perhaps, yes, but no killings.
Devotee: And just before I left there they had a big strike where some of the younger communist kids, they got out in the street and they stopped all the buses, traffic and told the drivers to leave their cars. They burned a couple of cars and buses. But it is not as bad as it used to be.
Professor La Combe: Now it is better.
Prabhupāda: Actually, there was no government.
Professor La Combe: At that time, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor La Combe: They lacked authority. In Vṛndāvana there has never been such kind of trouble.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And the airport, these international flights, they are not going. They stop only to take petrol, and no passengers going. That has hampered very much India's tourist department. Because no respectable, respectable or nonrespect..., no airlines, just like BOAC and other big, big, they are not going. The minister of tourist department, he has several times requested that "You also come." There are no tourists coming in India.
Professor La Combe: Where is your maṭha in Vṛndāvana? In Vṛndāvana proper?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You have been in Vṛndāvana?
Professor La Combe: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Where did you stay?
Professor La Combe: I did not stay. I just visited, went around.
Prabhupāda: I see.
Professor La Combe: And it was long ago.
Prabhupāda: There is a place, Ramaṇa-reti. Did you see that Oriental philosophical institution?
Professor La Combe: It was not yet started at that time.
Prabhupāda: No, it was there. 1970. No, when you went to Vṛndāvana?
Professor La Combe: '36 or '37.
Prabhupāda: '36? Oh, yes.
Professor La Combe: It was not started.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ramaṇa-reti, there is a road from Vṛndāvana to, connecting with the road from Delhi to Agra. That road is called Chattikara, Chattikara Road. So on that road we have got our temple. It is locally known as Ramaṇa-reti.
Professor La Combe: After Mathurā.
Prabhupāda: After Mathurā. It is Vṛndāvana, Vṛndāvana. There is a shortcut. Formerly... The road is very old road, from Delhi to Vṛndāvana, taking a turn at the place known as Chattikara. So on that road we are constructing our temple.
Professor La Combe: Constructing now?
Prabhupāda: No, it is finished.
Professor La Combe: It is ancient? But you are...
Bhagavān: Do you have the photographs?
Yogeśvara: Some slides somewhere.
Professor La Combe: But that is an old shrine. It is not a new establishment.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, formerly I was staying. I have got my place there also, one of the oldest temples, Rādhā-Dāmodara temple. Rādhā-Dāmodara. This temple was established by Jīva Gosvāmī. There are seven important temples: Govindajī's temple, Madana-Mohana, Rādhā-Dāmodara, Rādhā-Ramaṇa, and Rādhā-Śyāmasundara.
Devotee: Rādhā-Giridhārī.
Prabhupāda: Not Giridhārī. That is later.
Devotee: Rādhā-Gopīnātha.
Prabhupāda: Gopīnātha, yes. So Gopīnātha temple, Madana-Mohana temple, Rādhā-Dāmodara temple, Śyāmasundara and Gokulānanda, Gokulānanda. These are old seven temples. Later on, other big, big temples. Raṅganātha temple and Gaekwad (?) temple, like that, Jaipur temple. They came into existence. But there are five thousand temples in Vṛndāvana's city, municipal area. Practically each house is a temple. In every house there is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity and being worshiped by some devotees. The Ārya-samājī movement... You know something about Ārya-samāja?
Professor La Combe: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Dayananda Sarasvati, he made vigorous propaganda against temple worship. Nobody cared. (laughs) Nobody...
Professor La Combe: Even now, nowadays, now they are...
Prabhupāda: No, their influence is gone, Ārya-samāja.
Professor La Combe: No, I mean the Ārya-samāja is no more very active now.
Prabhupāda: They cannot active, because whatever activity they had, they finished. The stock and energy is gone.