Guest (1): The creation is always unfolding, more and more, and becoming of more and more.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Creation is already there. Your knowledge is imperfect. You do not know what is that creation.
Guest (1): Few billion years before there was no human being living here.
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. That is rascaldom.
Guest (1): Hm?
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom, that statement.
Guest (1): Is...?
Prabhupāda: Rascaldom.
Guest (1): Pardon me, Sir?
Prabhupāda: Rascaldom. Foolishness.
Guest (1): Foolishness?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): Well, today...
Prabhupāda: Because, because you say, "Two millions of years ago..." Now...
Guest (1): Six billion, whatever you may say...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Guest (1): Whatever amount of time, one can say, before that, there was no life here.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but Vedic literature, Vedic literatures, you see. These four yugas. Now, in the Bhagavad-gītā... We are talking always: Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ (BG 8.17). You study Bhagavad-gītā. You'll understand. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam. One yuga means forty-three lakhs of years. And multiply by... Eh?
Devotee: Mrs. Nair has come.
Prabhupāda: Let her come in, yes. And forty-three lakhs of years, multiply it by one thousand. Then how much it comes?
Guest (1): Forty-three multiplied by...
Prabhupāda: Forty-three lakhs multiplied by one thousand.
Guest (1): Four hundred thirty crores.
Prabhupāda: Thirty crores.
Guest (1): Four hundred thirty crores.
Prabhupāda: That is only twelve hours of Brahmā. So what you can two million?
Guest (1): No, no. I said six billion...
Prabhupāda: Six billion, you may say, but this is only twelve hours of Brahmā. So just see how long he's living. Hundreds of millions of years he's living, still. And you say two millions years.
Guest (1): No, when you say Brahmā, you mean Supreme or the...?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Brahmā is a person like you and me. (Hindi) Jaya. (Hindi) Brahmā is also a living entity. Just like... (Hindi) We are all living entities. Similarly, Brahmā is also a living entity. Just like you are bigger than the ant, Brahmā is bigger than me. That is the difference only. But he's also living entity. So he lives for millions and millions of years. (Hindi) So the other gentleman not yet, not has yet come, our Asnani. So let him come. Then we shall begin talking. So it is not a fact that two millions of years ago, there was no living entity. This is all rascaldom. Time is immemorial, and many, many millions of years ago there were living entities, more perfect living entities. They're still living. But we have no information. Just like Brahmā. Brahmā's one twelve hours, if you believe in the Bhagavad..., statement of Bhagavad-gītā... sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ (BG 8.17). Read that.
Śrutakīrti:
- sahasra-yuga-paryantam
- ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ
- rātriṁ yuga-sahasrāntāṁ
- te 'ho-rātra-vido janāḥ
- (BG 8.17)
Prabhupāda: Translation.
Śrutakīrti: "By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together is the duration of Brahmā's one day. And such also is the duration of his night."
Prabhupāda: Now, that, this forty-three lakhs of years, multiplied by one thousand, how many years it is?
Guest (1): Four hundred thirty crores.
Prabhupāda: Four hundred and thirty...?
Guest (1): Crores.
Prabhupāda: Crores. That is day. Similarly, four hundred thirty crores, night.
Guest 2 (Indian man): Four thousand, three hundred crores.
Prabhupāda: Just see. So four thousand, three hundred crores, that is day. And similarly night. Now this becomes complete twenty-four hours. Similarly one month. Similarly one year. He lives for one thousand, one hundred years. Now calculate.