Prabhupāda: Yes. The Māyāvādī . . .
Dr. Patel: Whenever it is, a question of matter is evolved from māyā. So we are Māyāvādīs, all of you, you and me.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Dr. Patel: Yes, because we are talking of māyā.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Māyā means śakti. Māyā means śakti. Māyā means śakti.
Dr. Patel: That's it. Then śakti's of God.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Nothing can happen without the śakti. Nothing can happen without the energy.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but the . . .
Dr. Patel: You cannot move your finger . . .
Prabhupāda: But you cannot avoid the varieties.
Dr. Patel: But variety is produced by . . .
Prabhupāda: Just like in your body, this is your head, this is your hand. Everything is body. But if you say: "Everything is body," what is this nonsense?
Dr. Patel: How can it be nonsense?
Prabhupāda: Ah! It is nonsense.
Dr. Patel: That particular . . .
Prabhupāda: Why there is separate name, "This is head," "This is hand," "This is leg"?
Dr. Patel: When this thing, whole body, was in the embryo . . .
Prabhupāda: Then it is called "unity in varieties." That is called.
Dr. Patel: And I will . . . shall I speak?
Prabhupāda: Yes. But you cannot say the head and the leg is the same.
Dr. Patel: Let me talk now.
Prabhupāda: You cannot say that.
Dr. Patel: Shall I talk it now?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: When this body was being manufactured in the embryo, in the womb . . .
Prabhupāda: No, I know that you don't require this. I know that.
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Prabhupāda: It is matter. But it becomes varieties.
Dr. Patel: It was not matter to anyone.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: That was also inside.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: In the seed there is the whole banyan tree.
Prabhupāda: Yes, matter . . . they manifested into varieties. First of all, they, after sex intercourse, the two seminas is emulsified, and it becomes like a pea. And it develops into different parts of the body.