Prabhupāda: And the other, the communist and the other (indistinct). I have seen many big, big officers they are chanting returning from the office and they are chanting and dancing. (indistinct) 20,000, 30,000. (indistinct) Now the government did not give us again that place in Delhi.
Guest: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Last time when we came, there they gave.
Devotee: LIC Grounds(?)?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee: LIC Grounds(?)?
Prabhupāda: No, no. They gave us that (indistinct) Park.
Guest: Yes, I know.
Prabhupāda: That is in the jungle, nobody could reach, and they gave us that place.
Guest: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: And still there were no less than (indistinct).
Guest: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: It was not easily accessible, the motorcar cannot go. You have to leave your car three miles away (indistinct)
Guest: I know the place.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He knows that.
Guest: It is a difficult thing to get to.
Prabhupāda: Yes, and they gave us that park and at the last moment they rejected. First of all they gave then at the last moment the municipality thought that this land cannot be given to any religion. And offered that (indistinct). So we had no other alternative. (indistinct) And the government indirectly giving us so much hindrance. They do not like it. One of the important members (indistinct), he frankly said that we do not want that your movement will increase very fast in India. Because they know it, (indistinct), that India is naturally inclined to Kṛṣṇa. And if the selected people of the world combine together and push this movement in India, the whole program of the modern leaders (indistinct) That's a fact. And that was my (indistinct) I wanted to start this movement from India but nobody cooperated, so then I decided to come to America and my plan was successful.
Guest: What was your connection with McGill? I heard...
Prabhupāda: That was(?)...
Guest: You published first with McGill?
Prabhupāda: No. (indistinct)
Devotee: Śrīla Bhaktivinoda probably(?).
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee: Śrīla Bhaktivinoda.
Guest: I see.
Prabhupāda: He sent his first book.
Guest: Yes.
Prabhupāda: In 1896. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it and he was expecting that some other persons will take up the work. So somebody says.... (break) (indistinct)