Indian man (2): It will never stop, that's the fact. That is that a man...
Prabhupāda: But Māyāvādī philosophy is that you offer upāsana now and when you are perfect you become one.
Indian man (2): Not one. I mean you merge with one. Not you become one. You merge with one.
Prabhupāda: Then there is no advaita-vāda. There is dvaita-vāda. Two. There is no advaita-vāda. If you accept that you remain different, then there is no advaita.
Indian man (2): We don't dare do you see, ācchā, at a particular stage you like to merge with Him?
Prabhupāda: Meeting, I am meeting you. That does not mean we have become one. You are meeting me, I am meeting you. So we are different.
Indian man (2): What is ultimate object of that bhakti?
Prabhupāda: Ultimate object is you are offering this flower—this is bhakti. But you are different than me.
Indian man (2): That's all right. That is all right. That bhakti, you can call it love, you can call it various things. Bhakti means surrender.
Prabhupāda: Bhakti means the process by which Bhagavān and bhakta interact. That is bhakti.
Indian man (2): That's all? He gains with that interaction?
Prabhupāda: Interaction. That does not mean bhakta and Bhagavān become equal.
Indian man (2): Bhakta and Bhagavān may not be equal, but even the bhakti-mārga and we say the Bhagavān Himself declares that "My bhakta is more superior to Me."
Prabhupāda: That's all right. You say whatever you say, they remain two-different.
Indian man (2): They may remain two...
Prabhupāda: Then that is not advaita-vāda. That is dvaita-vāda. Two, two, not one. That is dvaita-vāda. That is the point.
Indian man: You mean to say eternally there is a soul and... This ātmā and Paramātmā will remain separate?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore the... Therefore it is said: nitya-yuktā upāsate. Therefore the word is there, nitya-yuktā. Nitya means everlasting.
Indian man: Everlasting. You remain separate.
Prabhupāda: Separate. And that is a fact.
Devotee: Mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke jīva-bhūtaḥ sanātanaḥ (BG 15.7).
Prabhupāda: There are so many things. But here it is said nitya-yuktā upāsate. Even they come to the platform of nitya, where there is no birth and death. That is nitya. Nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). Even that platform, Bhagavān remains different than the devotee who worships.