Umāpati: Some scientists are claiming that just because they haven't yet discovered how to create life, they are soon to, and . . .
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Umāpati: They are in the process of trying to create life.
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. That we kick out. That we kick on their face. You show what you have got just now. That we don't accept that, "We are trying." A rascal will say: "I am trying to be millionaire." When you become millionaire, then talk. Now you are a poor vagabond. That's all. That we shall accept. What . . . you are trying. Everyone will say: "I am trying." What you are now? That is our proposition.
Paramahaṁsa: At the present they know how to kill very good.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Nonsense. "We are trying." That any nonsense will say: "I am trying." What is this? That is not a scientific proposition.
Umāpati: Well, the argument that has been presented is that, "Well we don't have it now, but soon we're to have it. So . . ."
Prabhupāda: That any rascal will say. What is the difference between you and the rascal? Any rascal will say that, "I am trying to . . ." What is the use of these scientists? Any rascal will say. Trust no future, however pleasant. You can talk of all pleasant things in future, but you don't trust it. You . . . as you don't trust because you do not see soul, you don't trust. Why shall I trust you, you rascal, that in future you shall be very great scientist? You do not trust because you do not see. There is no soul. You cannot see. So why shall I trust you? What is the answer? That in future you will be able to do something extraordinary. Why shall I trust you?
Umāpati: Give them a lot of credit.
Karāndhara: Well they say they have done so much in the past . . . they have accomplished so much in the past.
Prabhupāda: Eh? That is all useless. What you have done? You have not given any contribution that there will be no death. The death is there. In the past there was death, and people are dying now. What you have done?
Paramahaṁsa: Helped death.
Prabhupāda: Helped means you have helped to minimize their duration of life. Formerly man was living hundred years. Now they do not live more than sixty, seventy years. That you have helped certainly. What you have helped? A man is dying ordinarily, and you have created atomic energy. You can kill thousands of men. So you have helped only in dying. But you have not helped in living. That is not possible. Then what you have done? Some childish play? What you have done?