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What is the position of Dhruva Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada?

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"What is the position of Dhruva Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1976 Conversations and Morning Walks

Hmm? He was a devotee, that's all. He never said that "I am God."
Morning Walk -- June 8, 1976, Los Angeles:

Duryodhana-guru: In Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, nityaḥ sarva-gataḥ sthāṇuḥ. So sarva-gataḥ, meaning the living entity is all-pervading, this is nominative singular.

Prabhupāda: Not all-pervading, everyone can go, gataḥ, one who can go anywhere.

Duryodhana-guru: Oh, so that's the understanding, because the impersonalists' understanding, they could say that the living entity is actually God by saying that he is all-pervading, sarva-gataḥ. They could interpret it in this way.

Prabhupāda: But you ask him, you are sarva-gataḥ? If you are intelligent you should have asked him, are you sarva-gataḥ? What he'll answer?

Duryodhana-guru: Well, he'll have to say, "No, not in this stage of life. Once I become liberated, then I will be." (devotees laugh)

Prabhupāda: (laughs) Just see the jugglery of words. Now why you forgot yourself? You are sarva-gataḥ; now why you are conditioned? Why?

Duryodhana-guru: Well, couldn't answer, I guess.

Prabhupāda: That is nonsense. (devotees laugh)

Rādhāvallabha: Sarva-gataḥ tomorrow.

Nalinīkaṇṭha: When I'm liberated, I'll be able to answer you.

Prabhupāda: If you are not liberated, why you are talking nonsense? Then you are a nonsense. You are not liberated, you cannot talk correct things. Don't talk. If you are not liberated, whatever you are talking, you are nonsense. So why you are misleading people? First of all, be liberated, then talk.

Bharadvāja: What is the position of Dhruva Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Hmm? He was a devotee, that's all. He never said that "I am God."

Rāmeśvara: Sometimes devotees argue that "Dhruva Mahārāja, he had a material desire, and still he became perfect. So I can keep my material desires."

Prabhupāda: No, when he gave up material desires, svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varān na yāce, "I don't want anything," then he became liberated. So long he had material desires, he was not liberated. When he refused to possess anything material, svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varān na yāce, then he became liberated.

Hari-śauri: But say, like Dakṣa, he saw Lord Viṣṇu and he had a desire for sex.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Hari-śauri: Dakṣa. So he was still having sex desire, but he saw Lord Viṣṇu.

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Hari-śauri: So then someone could argue, use that as an argument for returning.

Prabhupāda: Seeing Viṣṇu is not liberation. Just like when Kṛṣṇa was present, so many people saw Him. Does it mean that everyone became liberated?

Hari-śauri: It's a question of understanding His position.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Page Title:What is the position of Dhruva Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada?
Compiler:SunitaS, Rishab
Created:10 of Aug, 2011
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