Yoga student: With Kṛṣṇa can one say that Kṛṣṇa is the form that presents itself, of Godhead, which presents itself to man, and Bhagavān is the essential aspect?
Prabhupāda: Bhagavān? Yes, in the original.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Same as Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Just like the sun. Sunshine is very big, and the sun globe is not so big. But which is important, the sunshine or the sun globe?
Yoga student: But it's the glow which reaches man.
Prabhupāda: Eh, these are example.
Yoga student: He can't touch the globe because he would be consumed.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, the qualitative change. But it is... There are five elements, so it is made of fire, that's all. As your body is made of earth, that sun globe or the sun-god, the body is made of fire, that's all. There are other planets also; the body is made of air because you do not find more than these five elements, earth, water, air, fire, sky-gross; and subtle—mind, intelligence and ego. So subtle, the same, but gross—somewhere the fire is prominent; somewhere water is prominent, air is prominent; somewhere earth is prominent. So here in this world, in this planet, the earth is prominent.
Yoga student: Distinct from being permanent, the eternal?
Atreya Ṛṣi: Is prominent.
Yoga student: Oh, prominent.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Earth is prominent.
Yoga student: It's the prominent form in this material world.
Atreya Ṛṣi: In this earth, in this planet, earth is the prominent of the five elements.
Prabhupāda: Whole world, whole universe, they are made of these five elements.
Atreya Ṛṣi: All the creation, the material creation, is made of five elements.
Yoga student: What is the fifth besides earth, air, fire and water?
Prabhupāda: Ether.
Yoga student: Ether. How does ether distinguish...
Prabhupāda: The sky. Ether is... Presence of ether by sound.
Yoga student: How is ether distinct from air?
Prabhupāda: Ether you cannot feel touch. Air you can feel touch.
Parivrājakācārya: Based on the sense perception. On this planet, the bodies are made of earth. But there are other places, other planets, where the physical body is composed of a different combination. So one is predominantly air, another can be fire, another water, ether.
Yoga student: But is ether a gross element as well?
Atreya Ṛṣi: Ether is space.
Prabhupāda: Yes, space.
Yoga student: So in that sense it's a gross element.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Parivrājakācārya: It's perceivable by the senses as sound.
Yoga student: As sound.
Prabhupāda: Ether is perceived by sound, air is perceived by touch. Then... Ether, air... Then fire you can see by vision. And then next, water, you can taste, and the earth you can smell. These five senses are there to appreciate these five kinds of elements. All right. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)