Pañca-draviḍa: What is the explanation of an eclipse?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Pañca-draviḍa: Eclipse.
Prabhupāda: Eclipse are.... So that Rāhu planet comes to attack the sun and the moon. And when it comes, it becomes dark.
Pañca-draviḍa: How does it attack?
Prabhupāda: How do I attack you?
Pañca-draviḍa: When we see part of the moon disappear, what is actually happening?
Prabhupāda: Happening, that attack.... Suppose if I come to attack you and if I am in front, then you cannot see.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Like now I can't see.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Just like Prabhupāda's.... I'm standing behind him, and when he attacks you, I can't see you.
Nanda-kumāra: By the scientist's calculation of what's happening with the revolving, they can predict an eclipse.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Nanda-kumāra: They can say in advance when an eclipse will come.
Prabhupāda: Well we can also predict.
Pañca-draviḍa: Yeah. They predicted Lord Caitanya's appearance.
Balavanta: And five thousand years ago, in Kurukṣetra, they predicted when Kṛṣṇa went...
Pañca-draviḍa: So apparently they can predict Rāhu's attack also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's all right.
Gurudāsa: Actually, even the scientists say there is astrological reasons behind Rāhu the planet.
Pañca-draviḍa: So they're predicting five thousand years before the scientists. This is the explanation.
Prabhupāda: No, when there was no civilization.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Eh? They...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There is no civilization five thousand years ago.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Three thousand years...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All cavemen.
Prabhupāda: ...before, there was no civilization.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I just.... I read that recently in an anthropology book, that 3000 B.C. means five thousand years ago, everyone was living in.... Especially in this part of the world, people were simply living in caves.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: English propaganda.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: English propaganda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They had very crude tools for making their things. Practically they were all like animals.
Prabhupāda: So how this literature came?
Hari-śauri: Well, they say that it's not older than 1,000, 1,500 years old.
Prabhupāda: One thousand.... But where are other literatures like that, 1,500 years, in Europe and other places?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No such thing.
Prabhupāda: So only the literatures were here in India?
Pañca-draviḍa: No, they have them. They also have mythology in Greece, and Roman mythology too.
Prabhupāda: Mythology maybe, but so purposeful verses, where is in other country?
Pañca-draviḍa: Nowhere.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Balavanta: Bhagavad-gītā's philosophy...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pañca-draviḍa: That they can't match anywhere.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How can a caveman make it, then?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Trivikrama: Each verse, so...
Prabhupāda: Each rich.... Is it impossible to compose verses by the cavemen? How foolish they are. Not only that, in Mahābhārata there are 100,000 verses. In Bhāgavata, there are 18,000 verses. In the Purāṇas... Where is such rich literature? If they were cavemen, wherefrom this literature came?
Satsvarūpa: They also said Kṛṣṇa was a tribal chief. But how could He speak such philosophy?
Prabhupāda: How rascal they are.
Pañca-draviḍa: There are a few flaws in the theory.
Prabhupāda: The best class of men, the Aryans, and they were worshiping a tribal chief! And what was Arjuna? He was also a tribal chief? Arjuna said that "I become Your disciple." So what was he, that he is submitting to a tribal chief? Śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam (BG 2.7). And He's teaching Bhagavad-gītā?
Lokanātha: Which is being read after five thousand years.
Prabhupāda: And still, they cannot assimilate it, so much, so-called civilized men, they cannot understand even the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13), that there is transmigration of the soul, these rascals. And who is tribal chief?
Haṁsadūta: Just to master the language takes twelve years.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Haṁsadūta: What to speak of understanding the content.
Jayapatākā: (break) ...exhibit the farce of modern science.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Jayapatākā: Farce of modern science, and every philosophy and science group, where they are just cheating the public. Then exhibit how Kṛṣṇa consciousness is showing the real way.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So do that in this planetarium.
Pañca-draviḍa: That will be very nice.
Prabhupāda: That is...