Prabhupāda: What is that object of perception that is pure?
Guest (2): The perceiver and the object perceived would be one.
Prabhupāda: What is that object? Give me tangible example.
Guest (2): In relative existence it would be that which exists, and . . .
Prabhupāda: What is that relative? Relative means there must be something absolute. When you speak of relative . . . just like you are son, relative. Immediately the conception of father must be there; otherwise why . . . how it is relative? So as soon as you say "relative," what is the absolute?
Guest (2): The absolute is . . . I can't say much more than it is, I guess.
Prabhupāda: Then you have no conception of the absolute. You cannot explain.
Guest (2): It's . . .
Prabhupāda: You are simply . . . your meditation means you are simply in the relative.