Devotee: They have special meditation for asuras.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee: They have special classes in meditation for asuras. They give them some meaningless word to meditate upon.
Prabhupāda: So what is the purpose of this meditation?
Devotee: To make..., to relax the mind.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that is another thing. Material. That is, er, Transcendental Meditation. (long pause)
Jñānagamya: How can we convince them?
Prabhupāda: Hm? How can you convince? They are asuras.
Jñānagamya: No, those who doing some meditation that are Kṛṣṇa consciousness...
Prabhupāda: No, they are also asuras. They do not know what is the meaning of meditation. That is psychology. It is not meditation. Or some medical treatment. Meditation is different, real meditation.
Devotee: What is... What is real meditation?
Prabhupāda: Real meditation is to find out the Supersoul within the core of the heart. That is real meditation. God is situated in everyone's heart, so the yogis, they try to find out the Supersoul within the heart. That is real yogi. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginam. This is real yogi, trying to contact the Supersoul. They are searching after the God in His all-pervading feature. But, ah, some of them, they want to become one. That is asuric. One with God, that is asuric. Because they are being defeated by God, so therefore they want to become God to stop this defeat. That is asuric. Therefore they will never be able to be, but they are trying for it.
Jñānagamya: It is the highest blasphemy.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Jñānagamya: It is the highest blasphemy, isn't it? If one says, "I am God."
Prabhupāda: No, highest ignorance, highest rascaldom. (laughter) Yes. How one can become God? If one can become God, that means the such-and-such, he was God. Then how he has become dog? That is another rascaldom, ambition.
Jñānagamya: A devotee is only supposed to want service, and sometimes he very much wants to be liberated to be finished with all this difficulty, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jñānagamya: Is it very contaminating?
Prabhupāda: Not contaminating, not in the highest stage. That is not contaminating. If the devotee wants liberation, then they're in the lower stage. Actually, a devotee, he is already liberated. Why he shall aspire after liberation?
Jñānagamya: Pure devotee's liberated.
Prabhupāda: Therefore when he's purified, he's already liberated. There is no question of his aspiring after liberation. He's already liberated. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26).
Ātreya Ṛṣi: If the devotee's purified, he's convinced that if he becomes purified he will be free.