Indian man (1): Nature's laws are inexorable.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We cannot surpass. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). This nature's law is so strict, you cannot disobey.
Indian man (1): We can't bend it. It is un... inevitable, inexorable.
Prabhupāda: Yes, inexorable. Yes, yes, inexorable.
Indian man (1): And nobody can interfere?
Prabhupāda: No.
Indian man (1): God alone.
Prabhupāda: God can do anything. He is all-powerful. That is only...
Indian man (1): But does He interfere... Does he intervene in our actions?
Prabhupāda: Who?
Indian man (1): I mean, God, does He...
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. God interferes if you are a devotee. Otherwise, you have to undergo the laws of nature. Karmāṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhājām (Bs. 5.54). Karma, according to your karma, you are conducted by the laws of nature. Just like if you touch fire, the laws of nature is: it will burn. Even a child touches the fire, there is no excuse. The laws of nature will not excuse a child, that "This child does not know it has touched the fire. Let it not be burned." No. Ignorance is no excuse. You cannot surpass or avoid laws of nature. It is not possible. If you can eat one chātā,(?) and if you eat little more, then there will be trouble.
Indian man (1): Then what about miracles performed by so many people?
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. Nobody can play anything. Magician also can make.
Indian man (1): Interfere with the laws of nature.
Prabhupāda: Nobody can. It is all foolishness, all rascaldom. They are all rascals and who understands miracle, they are also rascals. Laws of nature cannot be changed.
Indian man (1): There may be several laws which we don't know.
Prabhupāda: There are many laws. What do you know? You do not know anything. (chuckles)
Indian man (1): We do not know. Then I say those miracles may be possible according to those laws that we don't know.
Prabhupāda: There is no miracle. If you touch fire, it will burn, that's all.
Indian man (2): Swamiji, is bhakti-mārga enough to have liberation?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Bhakti-mārga... First of all, you must know what is liberation. What do you mean by liberation?
Indian man (2): Jīvan-mukta.