Prabhupāda: These pastimes of Kṛṣṇa is to make the fools more fool. One who is thinking of Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man, Kṛṣṇa is playing this part to show them, "Yes, see. I am dying, this. You see."
Indian man: What He said? Avajānanti mā mūḍhāḥ.
Prabhupāda: Mūḍha janmani janmani (BG 16.20). He'll remain mūḍha janmani janmani (BG 16.20). This is this pastime. Life after life, he shall remain a fool, rascal. So this Raja Gopalācārya and company, they'll remain in darkness life after life. For them this pastime is there. Avajānanti mā mūḍh mānusīm tanum āśritaḥ: "The rascals, they think of Me as ordinary human being." To such rascals, He is playing like: "Yes, you see I am ordinary human being. Just see. I am dying." This is... To keep them life after life in darkness. If it is so easy to understand Kṛṣṇa, that He is dying-Acchā. "I have read it. I have seen. He has died." Then what is the use of saying, manuṣyāṇā sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānām (BG 7.3)? Out of many millions of persons one can understand Kṛṣṇa. Then what is the use of saying this? If it is so easy to understand Kṛṣṇa, what He is doing, what for He is doing, then everyone could understand Kṛṣṇa. Then what is the use of saying, manuṣyāṇā sahasreṣu? This requires intelligence.
Indian man: Bahūnā janmanām.
Prabhupāda: Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā: (BG 4.34) "One who knows, go and understand from them, from the guru." Don't make your interpretation, rascal. You shall remain always a rascal. Then what is the use of all these verses? If it is so easy to understand Kṛṣṇa then why Kṛṣṇa says, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevaya: "Then you will understand. Go to the right person who has seen."
Indian man: But the rascal philosophers, they have put in their book that you don't need to go to a spiritual master. Like one lady, she is staying in our temple now. She is a life member from, I think from Kanpur. So I was discussing with her yesterday. She said that "Your devotees, they are forcing me," that she should accept Śrīla Prabhupāda as spiritual master. She said, "No. I know Kṛṣṇa. I am reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam." And she told me that she has read in the book that one not need to go to spiritual master.
Prabhupāda: But what she is? Why she is staying here? Huh? You have asked them to go? No?
Akṣayānanda: This is the first I have heard of it.
Indian man: I am going to tell her to go if she will not... She told me...
Akṣayānanda: I never heard this before.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No. Is she is staying there as a paying guest or what?
Indian man: No, she want... She paid us eleven hundred rupees in Kanpur and, I don't know... The devotees, they promised her she can come and she can stay in our temple but they never told her the four regulative principles and to accept the guru.
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Akṣayānanda: No, that is not true.
Indian man: So she wants the money back.
Prabhupāda: So give. Give her back.
Akṣayānanda: She can have it back. That's no problem.
Indian man: So she should go.
Prabhupāda: Give her back. So why don't you give and immediately?
Akṣayānanda: Yes, I will give her. She never asked me. I didn't know this.
Indian man: She asked Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, I think. So we will arrange. She should go, you know. She made a great confusion yesterday.
Akṣayānanda: That's all right. Let her have.
Prabhupāda: Let her return the receipt or give a receipt and let her go away. Nobody can stay more than three days.
Indian man: Yes. We will do that.
Akṣayānanda: That we are doing.
Prabhupāda: She can come, but not more than three days in a month. (break)
Harikeśa: ...rascals will use any excuse to reject all of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Prabhupāda: That is atheism or demonism. (break)