Prabhupāda: What is that spiritual life? (break)
Yogeśvara: ...high spiritual values, the things...
Prabhupāda: These are simply words. What is the spiritual life. I want to know. (break) ...is useless.
Yogeśvara: He says when God. He is just using a lot of names.
Prabhupāda: He is simply speaking. He does not know what is the aim, what is the goal, what is spiritual life... (break) ...no tangible knowledge of everything, what I ask. As I asked you what is spiritual life, he cannot describe. (break) ...distinguish between spiritual life and material life?
Yogeśvara: (break)... as we can have spiritual realization and still live in the material world.
Prabhupāda: But what is the spiritual life? What is the distinction between spiritual life and material life? What is the goal? He cannot define Spiritual life.
Yogeśvara: (break)...want to know how does a person who is realized the perfection live.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Yogeśvara: ...tolerant. Above all, he is tolerant.
Prabhupāda: Tolerant. Spiritual life. That is also spiritual life. That's all. So in their way of spiritual life, what are the process? There must be some process, definite process.
Yogeśvara: (break) ...that comes when you become initiated in the movement. They give you the process for arriving at this tolerance.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. But suppose I want to enter. So you must give me some formula that "You have to do this like this." Otherwise how can I enter?
Yogeśvara: He says there are many different techniques, but ultimately they are really all the same because they lead to the same conclusion. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...those techniques? Let him say some of the techniques.
Yogeśvara: He says the first thing is that we have to awaken our internal consciousness which is ninety percent asleep.
Prabhupāda: So what is the process?
Yogeśvara: I don't care to talk about them here.
Prabhupāda: Then how can I accept it? I cannot enter into some vague thing.
Yogeśvara: All the systems have to do with meditation, concentration, things that will reawaken your consciousness.
Prabhupāda: What is the object of meditation?
Yogeśvara: (break) ...different objects, many different.
Prabhupāda: But tell one of them.
Yogeśvara: The body for example. (break) He says that there is "the eternal meditation number three."
Prabhupāda: So what is the number one?
Yogeśvara: He says that this one is one that's basic. It is given to all their students.
Prabhupāda: Number three, and no number one. (break)
Guru-gaurāṅga: ...wants to say that you will meditate on the number three and this was that you would wake up the consciousness in your body starting from the tips of your toes and working up like this. And it may seem easy to you, but all the great masters of the Orient have taught this and no one can succeed without doing this.
Prabhupāda: That means their knowledge is not perfect. It is all bogus. (break) ...if you meditate on the body what do you gain?
Yogeśvara: To wake up your psychic consciousness which is sleeping inside this body.
Prabhupāda: But you tell me, what is that process?
Yogeśvara: Well, "meditation number three" is to... (break) He says he would like to talk to you a little bit about a book he is reading which describes how the Russians have just discovered the soul. They have photographed the soul, he says,...
French guest devotee: No, no, the aura.
Yogeśvara: ...how they have, the Russians have found the soul and they have described all the different phenomena of para-psychology and extra sensory perception, and he said it's an incredible book, and the Russians have made great discoveries. He hasn't finished the book yet.
Prabhupāda: That is Russians. I am asking him about his...
Yogeśvara: He says that the Rosicrucians they know what is the duty of human life.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Yogeśvara: The destiny of human life.
Guru-gaurāṅga: ...the soul is a state, of crystik consciousness, Nirvāṇa, call it what you will.
Prabhupāda: That cannot be described.
Guru-gaurāṅga: ...with an understanding that is a million times beyond our understanding.
Prabhupāda: If it is beyond understanding, how can I accept it? (break)
Guru-gaurāṅga: ...understanding, and it is translated onto the objective level.
Prabhupāda: If I do not understand whom to love, how can I learn?
Guru-gaurāṅga: It is in the heart of everyone. Simply it is a question of repressing the false ego for, eliminating the old man, the false ego.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Yogeśvara: I'm not quite sure. He says that he doesn't understand why you are objecting. He says love is a part of everyone.
Prabhupāda: Because if you ask me to love, I want to know what is, whom I shall love.
Yogeśvara: A mystic, he loves everything, everyone.
Prabhupāda: Is there any example?
Yogeśvara: An example is the master of their movement. He was supposed to come, but he was on vacation. But the grand master of their movement, he says, is one example.
Prabhupāda: No, suppose to love everyone, that means you love the animals also. Their community allows, animal killing?
Yogeśvara: When you come into the movement, there are no regulations required of you. But little by little, it comes to that point. Their experience is that they give their students in the movement... For a short period of time, they are required to give up intoxication and meat and things like that. But it's not permanent.
Prabhupāda: And then they can take.
Yogeśvara: Yes, afterwards.
Prabhupāda: So why in the beginning stop? Why in the beginning they are requested to give it up? (break)