Prabhupāda: Their system is to remain a student and pose as teacher, their system. They're trying to learn it, and still they're posing as teacher. Teacher means one who knows. He does not know; still he poses in the post of a teacher.
Hṛdayānanda: So the system cannot be good because it does not purify their character. They still cheat.
Prabhupāda: No, they're cheating simply. Little knowledge, cheating. Little knowledge.
Yaśomatīnandana: They're simply like neti neti. "Not this, not this."
Prabhupāda: "Not this." Yes. By negation. Definition by negation. Not positive definition. They say "it is not this." But what it is they cannot say.
Prabhupāda: That is their process.
Hṛdayānanda: It is not God but...
Karandhara: Either they accept our evidence or...
Prabhupāda: No, therefore they are fools. That is a fact. Any child can understand that... And even they're less than a child. If I say there is something, therefore there is consciousness, any boy can understand. But they cannot understand. Less than a boy.
Karandhara: They say there's no proof that that something...
Prabhupāda: That is the proof. That is the proof.
Devotee (2): Yes, their own law of conservation.
Karandhara: No, I'm talking about the individuality...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Individuality... There are so many proofs, there are so many proofs, how you can say it is not?
Devotee (2): By their own laws.
Prabhupāda: No, no, not that. It is different subject. That something is missing within the body, therefore it is dead. So what is your answer? We say something is missing. We shall decide what is that something later on. That something is missing. If you suggest that something is chemical combination, then you do it. Therefore do not know. I say something is missing. If you know, then you replace that something, then you'll know.
Karandhara: What do we say that something is?
Prabhupāda: No... That everyone, any layman can understand, that this dead body is unconscious because something is missing. Any layman can understand. If you know that, then you replace it. I don't say I know, but I say something is missing.
Prabhupāda: You have to accept also that. But if you know that something, then you replace it. Otherwise you also do not know. Then why you are talking of big, big word? You do not know.
Prabhupāda: But something is missing. That is accepted by everyone.
Bhakta Dāsa: (laughs) So we both don't know.
Prabhupāda: Ah? No, I know better than you. Because you are a fool, I'm a fool, but you are a fool and still you are posing you know. That is the difference.
Karandhara: They may say, "We don't know, but we're trying to find out."
Prabhupāda: That also... Then why I shall give you better position?
Karandhara: We are also trying to find out.
Prabhupāda: Then why should I give you better position? You're on the same level with me. Why you are posing as "I am scientist"? You are a fool, you admit I am fool, you admit you are a fool. But why you are posing as scientist?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they will say that they have a..., they are trying to find out experimental things.
Prabhupāda: You have not found out, that's a fact. As I have not found, therefore you are equally fool like me. Don't pose yourself better than me.
Karandhara: If we're both fools...
Yaśomatīnandana: But at least we are accepting some authority which is supposedly very authorized by great saints, sages...
Karandhara: They have also great authorities.
Prabhupāda: And all the authorities... No, therefore these persons who do not accept authority, they're rascal.
Karandhara: They are accepting authorities.
Prabhupāda: But they're accepting authority who is not authority.
Devotee: They're fools.
Devotee (4): Darwin, they're accepting Darwin as authority.
Karandhara: They say, "But why should we accept any one of your authorities?"
Prabhupāda: No, then you come to argument, reason, then whether Darwin is authority or Kṛṣṇa is authority, we have to decide.
Yaśomatīnandana: They accept like, "I have not seen President Nixon, but I accept because I read in the newspaper." So somebody says that, well, by following this bhakti you can see Kṛṣṇa, but they will not accept that.
Devotee (2): Why should they accept Kṛṣṇa as authority over Darwin authority?
Prabhupāda: Ah? Because He's accepted by...
Yaśomatīnandana: Great sages.
Prabhupāda: ...great sages, saintly persons, scholars...
Devotee (2): By many scientists.
Prabhupāda: Then fool's paradise it is called... It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss. That is the only conclusion.
Karandhara: That's what they say about us.
Prabhupāda: Because this world is all full of fools, so it is very difficult to push on. That we know. Therefore we should not go to the mūḍhas.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Birds of a feather flock together.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes.
Hṛdayānanda: So they can go to Darwin's planet, we'll go to Kṛṣṇa's planet.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs)
Devotee: But how will we defeat them?
Prabhupāda: Yānti bhūtejyā bhūtāni.
Yaśomatīnandana: By giving them prasādam.
Yaśomatīnandana: We'll defeat them by giving them prasādam, right, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: To cure their disease, you have to give them prasādam, and give them chance to hear Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is valuable. Just like a man suffering from jaundice, he sees everything yellow, and if you say, "No, it is not yellow. White" "No, I see yellow." What can be done, then the medicine has to be given. He'll never say it is white. He'll say it is yellow, because he is suffering. You have to cure. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness method is curing the disease of jaundice.
Hṛdayānanda: In other words, Prabhupāda, unless there are enough gentlemen to accept saintly persons, we cannot talk to them. (break)
Devotee (2): ...we have to defeat them by prasādam.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, we have to show them mercy. It is not a question of defeat. Just like a diseased person is talking nonsense, so doctors takes care, "All right, go on talking nonsense. Take this medicine." (devotees laugh) That is hospitalization.
Yaśomatīnandana: They're already defeated.
Prabhupāda: Yeah, already defeated by nature. Māyayāpahṛta-jñāna. That is stated, apahṛta-jñāna. Māyā is taking their all knowledge, and because māyā is taking their all knowledge, the preaching is required. (break)
Yaśomatīnandana: So why wouldn't, why couldn't they accept that such simple thing?
Prabhupāda: They're not wise. Mūḍha. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ (BG 7.15). Because they always engage in sinful activities. These are the sym..., cause of their disease. They're sinful, they're rascal, lowest of the mankind, and whatever knowledge they are proud of, that is māyā, and the basic principle is they're asuras, atheists.