Prabhupāda: Saṁsārīs . . . Gītā is for the saṁsārīs. When Kṛṣṇa says, annād bhavanti bhūtāni (BG 3.14), this is for saṁsārī. Saintly person doesn't require anna. It is meant for the saṁsārī. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni. Catur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13). This division of society is meant for the saṁsārī, to control division of labor. Everything is for saṁsārī. It is not meant for the paramahaṁsa. Paramahaṁsa-saṁhitā is Bhāgavata. This is A-B-C-D. These people, they do not understand even the A-B-C-D. This is the difficulty. They cannot learn even the A-B-C-D of spiritual knowledge.
Dr. Patel:
- śreyo hi jñānam abhyāsāj
- jñānād dhyānam viśiṣyate
- dhyānāt karma-phala-tyagās
- tyāgāc chāntir anantaram
- (BG 12.12)
Whether tyāga is meant for the saṁsārīs?
Prabhupāda: Tyāgāt means one must be disgusted with this material way of life. That is tyāga. But they are being educated to be more attached to this material world.
Dr. Patel: This modern education.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: How to make a successful life, like Mr . . .
Prabhupāda: Vairāgya-vidyā. Vairāgya-vidyā-nija-bhakti-yogam (CC Madhya 6.254). That is bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga also. Vidvān, Vyāsadeva, also says, anārthopasanaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam. To get rid of this entanglement, unnecessary things, the only means is bhakti-yoga.
Dr. Patel: Modern advancement of science is actually here, entangle the man more and more . . . (indistinct) . . . but by raising, creating more bonds for comfort, comfortable life . . .
Prabhupāda: What comfort?
Dr. Patel: Comfortable life means . . .
Prabhupāda: That is another illusion.
Dr. Patel: Comfortable life means comfort of the body.