Prabhupāda: Where is my, that letter? I wrote one.
Brahmānanda: To Indira Gandhi?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I wrote one letter. When this trouble was there, so it came to my mind that, "Why there is trouble? All the leaders can follow Bhagavad-gītā and then things will be all right." So I sent that letter. Indira Gandhi letter. Here. What did I write?
Brahmānanda: "Your Excellency Śrīmatī Indira Gandhi." This is dated July 1st, 1975, from Evanston, Illinois.
Prabhupāda: Wherefrom I wrote it?
Brahmānanda: From Chicago.
Prabhupāda: Chicago.
Brahmānanda: "May it please Your Excellency, enclosed please find one copy of my letter addressed to Śrī Jaya Prakash Narayanji. I wish that both of you may sit together and agree to join together to work on the basis of the instructions given in the Bhagavad-gītā. It is practical and good for India as well as for the whole world situation. The whole world is expecting to receive something from Indian culture. Why not push this movement and solve the complete problems of India? I hope you will take this suggestion seriously and do the needful without delay. Thanking you in anticipation. I beg to remain..."
Prabhupāda: So letter is already there. (Bengali)
Lalitā: ...after Mojīva's(?) incident. She is very... (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: So now what shall I write?
Lalitā: (Bengali) He was busy for the world organiza..., but he has left everything.
Prabhupāda: So shall I refer to your name? (Bengali) So take the... So "Your Excellency, Śrīmatī Indira Devi..." Indira Gandhi or Indira Devi?
Lalitā: "Indira Devi" (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: "Indira Devi Gandhi, when I was in Canada, in..." Montreal?
Brahmānanda: Toronto.
Prabhupāda: "When I was in Toronto, Canada, Śrīmatī Lalitā Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation..."
Brahmānanda: Sent me?
Prabhupāda: "One intimation that you wanted to see me."
Lalitā: No, I approached her. (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: "She approached you for meeting with me..., with you for a meeting"?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: "For me."
Prabhupāda: "For me with you. And I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Kṛṣṇa's instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā. Actually this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is called saṅkīrtana movement. Sometimes they call Hare Kṛṣṇa movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that in India everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. So we are doing this very faithfully, and it is becoming effective. I think in India also if some vigorous activity is done for awakening Kṛṣṇa consciousness of the Indian people under your leadership, it will be very, very effective."
Lalitā: "And for the development of this country I can bring foreign exchange for..."
Prabhupāda: No, why this?
Lalitā: (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: "So we have already about six branches in India..."
Jayapatāka: Eight.
Prabhupāda: "Eight. And all the development is being done by foreign exchange. So it can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection."
Lalitā: "I need your advices for this development." (Bengali) "With the help of government in villages."
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I... Just that one point. In my speaking to Ganesha's(?) also, even when we tell them we are bringing huge amounts of foreign exchange from abroad, they at once say, "But how do you get this money abroad?"
Prabhupāda: We sell our books.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. So I was thinking maybe we could add a line or two on your books, that the foreign exchange is obtained.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in the foreign countries, Europe and America."
Lalitā: Is a biggest seller, I think... (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: There is no record in the whole world. That religious books are selling twenty lakhs now, it is no record.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Back to Godhead alone has done that.
Prabhupāda: So...
Lalitā: You make...
Prabhupāda: That's all right. "And by the sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange here." So I came here that she wants to see me, then why you are getting from me write...
Lalitā: (Bengali) Next time after the meeting... (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Read it. Read it, what I have said.
Brahmānanda: "Your Excellency Śrīmatī Indira Devi Gandhi. When I was in Toronto, Canada, Śrīmatī Lalitā Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting for you and myself. And I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Kṛṣṇa's instructions in the Bhagavad-gītā. Actually this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is called the saṅkīrtana movement and sometimes called the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that in India everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world."
Prabhupāda: Everyone in India.
Brahmānanda: "In India everyone should become a guru."
Prabhupāda: No, no. "Everyone should become a guru."
Brahmānanda: "His mission is that everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. So we are doing this very faithfully and it is becoming effective. I think in India also if some vigorous activity is done for awakening the Kṛṣṇa consciousness of the people under your leadership, it will be very effective. So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection. I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages, such as Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam..."
Prabhupāda: "Four hundred pages each."
Brahmānanda: "I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages each, such as Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in foreign countries, Europe and America. By sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange."
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Lalitā: (Bengali) ...development India. (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: So you can give this letter to Lalitā.
Lalitā: I think I will go to Prema's office and give it to Sesha and make an appointment.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: You want to give the letter?
Prabhupāda: Eh? What is that?
Lalitā: This is all that he should do. (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Read again, if there is to be corrected. Just hear, everyone.
Lalitā: (Bengali)
Brahmānanda: "Your Excellency Śrīmatī Indira Devi Gandhi. When I was in Toronto, Canada, Śrīmatī Lalitā Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting with myself."
Prabhupāda: "With me. "
Lalitā: "With me."
Prabhupāda: "A meeting with me and you."
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Should we say "Miss Lalitā Bose" or just "Miss Lalitā"?
Lalitā: No, Lalitā will... That's all. She knows me.
Brahmānanda: "When I was in Toronto, Canada, Śrīmatī Lalitā Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting with me and you, and I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Kṛṣṇa's instructions in Bhagavad-gītā. Actually this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is called the saṅkīrtana movement and sometimes called the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. So we are doing this very faithfully, and it is becoming effective. I think in India also, if some vigorous activity is done for awakening the Kṛṣṇa consciousness of the people under your leadership, it will be very effective. So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection. I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages each, such as Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in foreign countries such as Europe and America. By the sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange." "Yours sincerely?"
Prabhupāda: "Yours sincerely" all right, or "Your well-wisher"?
Lalitā: "Well-wisher."
Prabhupāda: "Your well-wisher." (Bengali) Word is already there. Sādhu śāstra guru vākya, tinete karīyā aikya. (Bengali) So immediately type it and give it to her.
Jayapatāka: Where it says that "I am bringing foreign exchange," in the end, "by selling my books I am bringing foreign exchange," it's for India's development?
Prabhupāda: For developing my scheme here.
Jayapatāka: And Gopāla Kṛṣṇa mentioned the point that... We're bringing foreign exchange. Whether there should be any word that also signifies that we have local support also?
Prabhupāda: Local support, that is understood. (Bengali) So our "books popular in foreign countries as well as in India." We are getting money also by these books.
Brahmānanda: We have quotations from professors in America and also India.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lalitā: And which we will take, this one and the professor Kajal.(?) (Bengali) You will give one Gītā, your writing to... You will present Gītā. And you lead your life according to this teachings. But she is great (Bengali) She is full of bhakti. But she needs good guidance. Anandamaya Ma is doing, but she can't come to her. So guidance, practical guidance also.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) So I shall personally teach Bhagavad-gītā. Her and her most confidential associates or who is governing. That I can do. (Bengali) Imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2). I wanted a rājarṣi to take up this movement seriously, but I could not get till now. If she becomes, it will be benefit for me, for the world, for her, everyone. Because I have no power, I have no money, but if one rājarṣi who has got strength, money, intelligence, if she takes, then it will be very quickly successful. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu, His movement became very successful when Mahārāja Pratāparudra of Orissa took it. Gautama Buddha's movement was successful when Aśoka, Mahārāja Aśoka took it. It requires. And Kṛṣṇa says, rājarṣayo viduḥ.
Lalitā: (Bengali) She is very cunning.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) She is spiritually inclined. She goes to so many spiritual men, but they cannot give her guidance. That means she has some inclination. That I can understand. Just like these for..., American boys, they are after spiritual enlightenment and all the swamis and yogis who went there simply exploited them because they have no knowledge, neither they are prepared to take knowledge from the authority, Kṛṣṇa. That is their defect. That is their defect.
Lalitā: They have become Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So therefore they could not give any...
Lalitā: Everybody is Bhagavān.
Prabhupāda: Ah, yes.
Lalitā: If you go anywhere, he is Bhagavān.
Prabhupāda: He is Bhagavān.
Lalitā: Now full Kali. (Bengali) Kali-yuga (Bengali) Everybody is busy with their duties.
Prabhupāda: Ah, they are engaged.
Lalitā: No time to talk.
Prabhupāda: I don't allow them to sit down.
Lalitā: At other āśramas you go and see. I go every āśramas. So I reported that now you catch all the sādhus. I'm giving a secret letter that, "All the black marketeers with them, sitting, chatting and patting, and you catch them. Then all the smugglers you will get. Sai Baba... (Bengali) He will throw you out. And he is exploiting that girl, and I have got a picture, very bad picture, with me. (Bengali) "Bhagavān Satya Sai Baba." So she hates him. And (Bengali) I have seen Satya Sai Baba. I know he is, what type of man he is. (Bengali) Government letter, certified.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Kṛṣṇa consciousness to the foreign countries.
Lalitā: (Bengali) ...what personality you are.
Prabhupāda: Thousands of Americans will do that. Thousands.
Lalitā: (Bengali) Māyāpur, Vṛndāvana. (Bengali) You just sit and write.
Prabhupāda: If you take my guidance I'll stay. Our guidance means on the basis of Bhagavad-gītā. I don't manufacture. That is my...
Lalitā: (Bengali) ...prime minister already... (Bengali) This is my experience about Prabhupāda's ISKCON. I am a layman... (Bengali) How you are writing on... (Bengali) ...what you are. I am the life member. (Bengali) The member of the advisory counsel..."Who are you?" "I am a member of that council." "I see. I see." (Bengali) West Bengal Security Force ...is a very good report about Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Bengali) Very good report. "Please ask prime minister, allow them to stay."
Prabhupāda: Governor...
Lalitā: U.P.
Prabhupāda: U.P. (Bengali) They must understand the philosophy. So is that all right? So make it.
Lalitā: (Bengali)
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We can go down.
Prabhupāda: Give her prasāda.
Jayapatāka: In case they want to see what type of..., how we like to develop in the village scheme, should I keep the Māyāpur program ready?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lalitā: And immediately the world can...
Prabhupāda: These pictures and everything.
Jayapatāka: I wrote out the whole thing. As soon I can give it to you...
Prabhupāda: That's all right. You make... Keep that... That I'll present personally, not now. Later.
Lalitā: When he is meeting, he will unveil. "Already we have started the schemes and we can expand with the help of government." (break) (Bengali)
Lalitā: (To Brahmānanda:) Listen, please. One point.
Prabhupāda: Where is that letter?
Brahmānanda: To Indira Gandhi?
Prabhupāda: So mention that I require...
Lalitā: Hundred...
Prabhupāda: How many...
Brahmānanda: When you talk about "I... So we have already eight branches in India. All development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupāda: "And foreign assistance, about one hundred men." That's all.
Lalitā: (Bengali)
Brahmānanda: "Foreign assistance, numbering about one hundred."
Lalitā: Missionary... (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Then what is there?
Brahmānanda: "So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange and foreign assistance numbering about one hundred."
Prabhupāda: "Mostly. Mostly by foreign exchange and foreign assistance. Mostly." It is not that there is no Indian. Mostly.
Lalitā: "I want." "I want from you." (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: So, "If you..."
Brahmānanda: "It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupāda: "By giving these foreigners missionary..." What is called? "Missionary visa"? Is that all right?
Lalitā: "Missionary visa..." (Bengali) Citizenship... (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: What you have said?
Brahmānanda: "It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupāda: "By allowing these foreign assistant as missionary men." That's all.
Brahmānanda: "As missionaries."
Prabhupāda: "As missionary men." Or "missionaries."
Lalitā: "Missionaries..." (Bengali). So they will see in what way they can best.
Prabhupāda: That's all. Jaya. (end)