Prabhupāda: Nārtasya cāgadam udanvati majjato nauḥ, bālasya neha pitarau śaraṇaṁ nṛsiṁha. Na ārtasya ca agadam. Tāvad vibho tanu-bhṛtāṁ tvad-upekṣitānām (SB 7.9.19). If Kṛṣṇa neglects somebody then these things will not help.
Dr. Patel: Kṛṣṇa never neglects anybody. You have told once so. It is we, our own actions which we, I mean, forget. We get. If you walk too much you get tired. If you sit down you do not. If you walk then there is swelling of the leg, sir. Eh? So it is not Kṛṣṇa. I mean, this is your own saying, eh? I am not manufacturing my own arguments.
Prabhupāda: No, the śāstra says, nārtasya cāga... There is no guarantee. But we may try but there is no guarantee.
Dr. Patel: This is the play of māyā, that we all know. But so long as we are in māyā we have to play our part, haven't we?
Prabhupāda: But it is supposition, the pathologist.
Dr. Patel: No, I am going to bring. That was myself.
Prabhupāda: He'll take blood, he'll take this, he'll take that. So that is another trouble. (chuckles)
Dr. Patel: No, no, but why should you have a minus on blood? Why should you have minus and whose blood is it? This is your own argument sir, I am very sorry.
Prabhupāda: No, no...
Dr. Patel: Nothing is ours, the body is not ours.
Prabhupāda: When you take blood, there is...
Dr. Patel: Not of that...
Prabhupāda: No, no, not that, but I feel...
Dr. Patel: How you feel? You are a soul! The body feels, you do not feel. Now we are talking about the philosophy.
Prabhupāda: I am not a liberated person.
Dr. Patel: You are liberated soul, we are following you. There are many others, sir otherwise we would not have come behind you. So sir, that is not right. And I think I have got a right to prevail upon you. Have I or have I not? Tell me that, or I'll run away back again. (break) ...its not full. Who knows? We may be liberated in past birth. That is how I come.