Prabhupāda: If you . . . for five rupees if you sacrifice your sacred right, then how can you expect good government?
Dr. Patel: But they never, I mean, they never really desired to have these rights. They should be disenfranchised, those who will not understand their responsibility towards their country.
Prabhupāda: So at least you can make some propaganda that, "Don't give votes to these persons." Don't name any. Then he will be envious. No.
Dr. Patel: You will be in the jail.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: I don't mind going to the . . .
Prabhupāda: No, if you preach these moral principles, nobody will object. Nobody will object.
Dr. Patel: They are shamming themselves as big moralist. They go to temples and what not and what not and what not. And then they . . .
Prabhupāda: But still in India they will never accept a drunkard as moralist. Still.
Dr. Patel: Sir, all of them are drunkards, who are there.
Prabhupāda: You cannot say.
Dr. Patel: Majority, sir.
Prabhupāda: Mass of people, they are not drunkard.
Dr. Patel: Not mass. I mean those people who are in Delhi.
Prabhupāda: They? They are not majority. Therefore we have to reform.
Dr. Patel: Only God will reform them by giving them . . . they should be chastised.
Prabhupāda: They are being chastised, but they are so fool, they cannot understand they are being chastised. Just like a dog is being chastised. He cannot have eating, eatables, whole day and night, eating stool. Somebody's stoning, somebody's sticking, and still, he is very jubilant, "Gow, gow, gow, gow. I am very happy." (laughter) This is going on. (laughs) So this dog's association, dog society, they are suffering in every step; still, they are thinking, "We are making progress." That's all. Dog civilization. Hog civilization, dog civilization. This is not civilization. Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye (SB 5.5.1). Dog civilization.
Dr. Patel: Sir, this civilization is degrading because of the cinemas and things. The mothers are the really the . . .
Prabhupāda: And you do not know. Cinema is not cause. Cause is godlessness.
Dr. Patel: But because the godlessness starts from there.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: Who are the ideals of these women? The cinema actresses. Who were the ideals of our mothers? Sāvitrī and Sītā.
Prabhupāda: There are so many, so many.
Dr. Patel: That is very important. This is very important, sir.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There are many cinemas in America . . .
Indian: . . . (indistinct Hindi)
Dr. Patel: wo theek hai. that is all right. I mean, one percent. But many cinemas are there, bedroom stories. I have not seen. The people say so.
Prabhupāda: You see, when a man is diseased there are many symptoms of ailments. You cannot say . . . you are a physician. You know. You cannot say: "This is the cause of the disease." It is . . . real, one disease is there, and there are so many ailments. So you cannot say . . .
Dr. Patel: You mean the cause of the cause of the cause is godlessness.
Prabhupāda: Yes.