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They worship you, don't they?

Conversations and Morning Walks

1974 Conversations and Morning Walks

No, no. The guru can be worshiped, but... That is guru. Guru and God... And, "Let God go away." Oh, that is not good. That is not good.
Morning Walk -- March 24, 1974, Bombay:

Prabhupāda: ...I am not this body.

Dr. Patel: That's right. So the mosquitos also have no body.

Prabhupāda: They tolerate. Actually, they tolerate because they factually think that "I am not this body. Let the mosquito bite my body."

Dr. Patel: (laughs) So mosquitos also have no body.

Prabhupāda: Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says, deha smṛti nāhi yāra saṁsāra bandhana kaha tāra (?). One who is beyond the conception of bodies, he has no obligation of these material things. Just like there are many sādhus, they simply remain naked body. Even in severe cold. They are practiced.

Dr. Patel: They have reached that avadhūta-veṣa.

Prabhupāda: So this is also avadhūta-veṣa.

Dr. Patel: But that stage you must reach.

Prabhupāda: No, somehow or other, they have gone to some extent. Never mind the mosquito. Let bite. I am not this body."

Dr. Patel: (laughs) You have hypnotized them.

Prabhupāda: No, actually they are doing. Although we see that from bodily point of view they have become weak, but they don't care for it. They... You see. If they had been weak how they are chanting and dancing saṅkīrtana? They are not weak at all. (Hindi) (break) "Now let me dance." Then I shall jump over your head." (Patel laughs) This is philosophy. "Now I am dāsa, then I become your master."

Dr. Patel: How can you be master when I am nothing? When I am dāsa, then I will be nothing before you.

Prabhupāda: That is voidism. You are something. How you are nothing?

Dr. Patel: How can you be the master of a master?

Prabhupāda: That is not possible, but these Māyāvādīs tries for this.

Dr. Patel: (Hindi)

Prabhupāda: These Māyāvādīs, they want to become the master. (Hindi) (break)

Prabhupāda: They are Māyāvādī?

Dr. Patel: No. They are Vaiṣṇavas. All Vaiṣṇavas.

Prabhupāda: But they worship...

Dr. Patel: They worship Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: No. Kṛṣṇa and their original...

Dr. Patel: Guru. They worship you, don't they?

Prabhupāda: No, no. The guru can be worshiped, but...

Yaśomatīnandana: They worship guru as God.

Dr. Patel: No. God is God. How can...

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Dr. Patel: They worship guru and God both.

Prabhupāda: That is guru. Guru and God...

Dr. Patel: And you. You cannot have God without guru.

Prabhupāda: And, "Let God go away." Oh, that is not good. That is not good.

Dr. Patel: It is not so. I think somebody has wrongly informed you, sir. And I will get you some comparative literatures to... (break) There are no four-hand there. There are no... You have wrongly seen and I have wrongly seen. No. That is...

Prabhupāda: But you showed me the wrong thing.

Dr. Patel: It was not right thing, but we have not seen in the dark. It was right thing, it was Kṛṣṇa's own photograph, and there were no four hands.

Prabhupāda: But I saw the picture. The guru has four hands.

Dr. Patel: No. We saw it in dark, both of us. And I also wonder... (break)

Prabhupāda: ...in a Rāma mandira, but there was no Rāma.

Dr. Patel: Yes, Rāma mandiras have all degenerated.

Prabhupāda: There was no Rāma. The guru's picture. He's Rāma.

Dr. Patel: That is Rāma. All the temples of Sañjaya (?), there is always Kṛṣṇa's (indistinct) there. (break)

Prabhupāda: ...(indistinct) What is this?

Guest (2) (Indian man): No, no. He is from that sampradāya. (break) They worship God as Swami Nārāyaṇa. My Lord is Nārāyaṇa. Swami means the Lord, and Nārāyaṇa is the Lord. So they say always "Swami Nārāyaṇa, Swami Nārāyaṇa." Just like we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, they chant "Swami Nārāyaṇa, Swami Nārāyaṇa, Swami Nārāyaṇa." The Lord is Nārāyaṇa, God is Nārāyaṇa, God is Nārāyaṇa. So Swami is Nārāyaṇa. You see, actually what did he preach, "Our Swami is Nārāyaṇa." So they have Swami Nārāyaṇa song.

Prabhupāda: That is Māyāvāda. That is Māyāvāda.

Guest (1): That is Māyāvāda, or whatever it may be.

Dr. Patel: Everything is Māyāvāda.

Guest (2): Oh, Lord is Nārāyaṇa.

Prabhupāda: As soon as we say, "Our Swami is Nārāyaṇa," it is Māyāvāda.

Page Title:They worship you, don't they?
Compiler:MadhuGopaldas, Rishab
Created:15 of Jun, 2011
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No. of Quotes:1