Satsvarūpa: The lawyer proved that the Bible could not disprove the Darwin's theory.
Prabhupāda: Then why do they not reject Bible altogether?
Nitāi: Sentiment.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Why do they not reject? Why still? Of course, it is sentiment. They do not accept Bible. The so-called Christians, they do not accept Bible.
Bali Mardana: What they say, they say that everything has, it has a hidden meaning. So the literal meaning is not true literally; it has a hidden meaning which is true.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but nobody has disclosed that hidden meaning.
Nitāi: Everyone discloses a different hidden meaning.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Then what is the real hidden meaning?
Satsvarūpa: They say that about the Bhagavad-gītā too when we say that... We say, "Every verse in the Bhagavad-gītā shows that Kṛṣṇa is God." They say, "No, there are actually different meanings, not 'surrender to Kṛṣṇa.' It means something else, and this means something else."
Prabhupāda: Bhagavad-gītā says, "Surrender." If you take Bhagavad-gītā, then Bhagavad-gītā says... You cannot understand... If you want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, you must understand from Bhagavad-gītā. And apart from Bhagavad-gītā, you are already surrendered to God; you are not independent. Are you independent? Now, if, when there is rain, we could not come here to walk. So we are already surrendered. You cannot stop the rain and walk. You are already surrendered. So if Bhagavad-gītā says that "You completely surrender," what is the wrong there? You are already surrendered. Just like you are already surrendered to the government laws. If you say, "I don't care for government laws," is that very nice proposal? You're already surrendered. So what is the wrong there? You are already surrendered to the laws of God, or nature, whatever you say. So if Bhagavad-gītā says, "Surrender fully unto Me," what is the wrong there?
Bali Mardana: They will say, "Well, how do we know that Kṛṣṇa is God?"
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Bali Mardana: They will say, "How do we...?"
Prabhupāda: No, no, Kṛṣṇa is not God, but you have already surrendered to God. Kṛṣṇa may not be God, that is... You bring another God, then we shall reject him. Kṛṣṇa... But that you cannot. You do not know who is God. At least, we know what is God. But if you deny that Kṛṣṇa is not God, then bring another God at least equal to Kṛṣṇa.
Bali Mardana: They'll bring Guru Maharaji. (laughter) Many people were disappointed in Houston because he did not display any miracles. They were expecting to see many things.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Bali Mardana: Many of his followers were disappointed 'cause they expected him to show some miracles.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He will be rejected after a few years. That's all. Just like Maharishi.
Bali Mardana: Maharishi.
Satsvarūpa: I told one professor that... He was arguing in favor of Guru Maharaji. I said, "He's not mentioned in the scriptures," and he says, "Yes, in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says whenever there's a time of irreligion then He comes. So this is a time certainly of irreligion," he said. So that's one evidence, he said, in his favor.
Prabhupāda: So what he has done about religion?
Satsvarūpa: He hasn't done anything.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Nitāi: Well, we can see that he hasn't done anything.
Prabhupāda: Heḥ?
Nitāi: We can see that he hasn't done anything; others would say that "Oh, he's got a movement just like you."
Prabhupāda: No, it is not my movement; it is old. I don't say it is my movement. Neither I say that I am God. I am simply speaking of the established movement. Now, my movement is that Kṛṣṇa is God. So Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat (BG 7.7), "There is no more superior authority than Me," but is it a fact that this rascal is the supreme authority?
Bali Mardana: No one has any idea what is God. So he, the people... they say, "Here is God", and no no can disprove it, 'cause they have no idea what is God.
Prabhupāda: No, no, here is the idea. God must be the supreme authority. So let him prove that he is the supreme authority. He's checked by the custom authority and he's God? He goes to the hospital and he's God? Here is the definition of God, that "There is no more superior authority than Me." And Kṛṣṇa proved. History says that there was no more superior authority than Kṛṣṇa. Then let him prove that first.
Satsvarūpa: When the customs authorities tried to stop Kṛṣṇa in Mathurā, He cut off their heads. They said, "Where are you going with that cloth?"
Prabhupāda: No, that is supreme authority. Supreme authority means nobody can check. That is supreme authority. But he is checked in so many ways.
Sudāmā: But the rascals, they say that "This is his līlā."
Prabhupāda: Līlā? Then I kick on your face. that is also my līlā. (laughter)
Bali Mardana: What's that.
Prabhupāda: I kick on your face. (More laughter) That will be my līlā. Where is this rascal now, at the present moment?
Bali Mardana: Perhaps in Colorado. He has a big...
Sudāmā: Yes, in America, mainland.
Bali Mardana: He has a big following among the hippies of Colorado.
Prabhupāda: Somebody said that I am talked in their camp that I am priest. I am priest.
Bali Mardana: In their camp?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali Mardana: Someone said that?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They said that my movement is, I am priest. Because I worship Kṛṣṇa in the temple. In other words, I am not a philosopher; I am a priest. What it is made of, this surfer?
Sudāmā: It's made of styrofoam. It's a plastic material that's very light and floats on the water. And then different polishing plastics.
Prabhupāda: So, it is a costly thing.
Sudāmā: They cost about close to a hundred dollars.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Bali Mardana: Gaurasundara and Siddhasvarūpa, they were encouraging the devotees to go and fly on them.
Sudāmā: Many of them have them, have these boards.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Sudāmā: Many of them have such boards.
Bali Mardana: Instead of book distribution, they go in the ocean. (break) Is it a good idea for them to go to Māyāpur and chant?
Prabhupāda: Where is that difficulty?
Bali Mardana: Well, like, someone like Karandhara. He suggested for him to go there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But if he does not chant, that will be bad example. If he does not agree, then it is fallen down. Now he's denying to chant. He's denying to chant; he's indulging in sex. What does it mean? He'll be a bad example wherever he goes.