Prabhupāda: That's all right. Why shall I believe in God? Sense gratification is there. Why shall I believe in God?
Upendra: There has to be a certain amount of self-respect that the Christians give the people...
Prabhupāda: Nobody respects. Nowadays, if somebody is religious, he is thought of as a fool. He's not...
Siddha-svarūpa: Actually, because what you're saying is right, people are going away from religion. There is no use for it anymore.
Prabhupāda: No religion. No, they do not know what is the meaning of religion. Therefore they create some religious system. They create: "Let me create something. After all, it is bluffing. So if I can..." Just like this, from India there are so many come. Here also there are many. They create some. It is... After all, it is bluffing. "So let me create something." Real business is to bluff and take money.
Bali-mardana: They like to make a show.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Bali-mardana: Even President Nixon, he was having Bible meetings while he was cheating everyone. (Prabhupāda chuckles) (break)
Prabhupāda: They think in..., believe in God, and "There is no God; believe in God." Create some God and believe, that's all. Finished. Therefore there are many, so many, religions.
Bali-mardana: Everyone has a tendency to worship something. If they don't worship Kṛṣṇa, they will worship someone else, like Mao or Lenin... (break)
Prabhupāda: One fashion is meditation. This fashion is very prominent. What meditation, they do not know.
Bali-mardana: They think that it is simply a...
Prabhupāda: Sit down... I have seen meditation. (makes snoring sound) I have seen.