Devotee (6): Everyone feels he's the center of everything.
Prabhupada: But he's not. That is his another foolishness. Even in this state, I am not center. I cannot do whatever I like. I have to believe the law. There is law, and it's sanity. And if he says, "I am the center. I am the monarch of all I survey," (everyone laughs) that is foolishness. He believes in his foolishness, that's all. If I claim, "I am the monarch of Hawaii," is that belief correct? "I am the center of everything. I am moving this." And this rascal's meditation is like this: "I am moving the sun. I am moving the moon." The meditation.
Hari-sauri: I once had a boy tell me on the street, he said, he said, "Yes, I am the, I am the center of the universe." He said we're the center...
Prabhupada: This belief, not nonsense belief? Mad man's belief?
Devotee (6): People say, "Oh it's my life. This is my life, my..."
Prabhupada: ...people in general, they're all rascals. Don't think lot of people are one. Mudhas.
Hari-sauri: When someone moves to another country, then it's very natural that they go and find out from their authorities what the laws of the country are. Yet when they're here, they don't bother to find out what the natural laws are and how to act as a human being. They just disregard it.
Prabhupada: ...think he must know how things are going on. That is knowledge. "I have created heaven. I am the center. Whatever I believe, that's all right." There's so many rascal philosophers. Everyone is thinking "I am the..." And their different views.
Hari-sauri: If they're mentally satisfied, they think that's the ultimate.
Prabhupada: (break) ...there's no such thing. "I believe." Immediately.... What Krsna says, that's true. That is our movement. Krsna consciousness. What I believe? I'm a nonsense. I am.... I have got four defects in my life: illusion, mistake, cheating, insufficiency. What is the meaning of my belief? A cheater saying, "I believe," I have to accept if I know that he's a cheat? (break) ...the public, by misleading them they have gone to moon.
Devotee: (tape static-inaudible)
Prabhupada: (inaudible) ...some tickets for going to moon. What they are doing with the tickets? You know that Pan American sold tickets for going to moon? You do not know? (laughs) They sold tickets, because in your country, you have got lot of money, any kind of cheating can draw money. (laughs)
Devotee (6): They're selling tickets to go to the moon?
Prabhupada: Not now. They sold in the beginning. They're so hopeful now that "We shall go to the moon." Some family (inaudible) "Oh, scientific advancement. Yes, they go to the moon. So I have got money. Why not purchase a ticket so I can go to the moon?" There are many persons in your country who can very easily pay $50,000 for purchasing tickets for going to the moon planet.
Hari-sauri: It's like Ravana's promise of being able to go to the heavenly planets by climbing up the staircase.
Prabhupada: Yes. (break) ...believed in the words of sastra. Even I am not scientist, still I shall.... It is all childish. And it has proved childish. I do not say that I am better than the scientists. No. But on the words of sastra, I say this is childish. They'll never be able to go to the moon. (break) The Americans who are here, mostly they are tourists. They're not residents.
Devotee (6): Some of them are retired, I believe.
Prabhupada: Some, they're some. Otherwise they are tourists.
Devotee (5): Yes. (break) (end)