Prabhupāda:... it is said it is simply waste of time. Yato āyur vyayaḥ param. Simply wasting time, valuable life.
Rāmeśvara: But the natural instinct is to want to enjoy varieties...
Prabhupāda: That is material life. The material life means falsely he's thinking that he'll be happy by material adjustment. That is material life. Falsely he's thinking. He'll never be happy, but they are thinking like that. Bahir-artha-māninaḥ. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā (SB 7.5.31). Durāśayā means this hope will never be fulfilled. That is called durāśayā, a hope which is not going to be successful at any time. And throughout the whole history they have tried, the British Empire, the Roman Empire, the Egyptian Empire, so many they tried, but all failed. Napoleon, Hitler, but still they have no eyes to see. From the history you see, everything failed. Napoleon started with some ideal, conquering all over Europe, and at last he had to die drinking horse urine. You know that? It was, later on he was arrested by British, and when he was asking drinking water he was given horse urine. That was his last life.
Hari-śauri: That was when he died? He died then?
Prabhupāda: He was so much insulted. Because every European countries were harassed, they had very bad idea about this Napoleon. Unnecessarily expanding the interest of France. "France and Napoleon, one." Now where is that rascal? France is there. This is going on. British Empire means bring money, hook or crook, in London, and you get the title, "lord," "baron," this... This was their policy. "Sir." All hooligans, thieves, rogues, they were made big, big respectable people. A deposit in the government, this lord family means they have to deposit, say, ten million pounds, like that, and the government takes that money as fixed deposit, and the interest the family will maintain the aristocracy. This is the lord's family. Some way or other you deposit ten million pounds and your family becomes lord's family. So people become mad after money, somehow or other bring money. There was no other culture. In order to introduce their Manchester cloth, how they killed the home industry of India, cloth merchant, this weaver... Just like we are trying. It is very long time, this, the handloom. They cut the finger.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The British did that.
Prabhupāda: The British did that so that the weavers could not work, just to introduce their Manchester's cloth. So many things they did. It is in the history.
Rāmeśvara: In America you never hear such history, in school...
Prabhupāda: They simply killed the Red Indians, that is the only.
Rāmeśvara: But in the schools they never tell you these things.
Prabhupāda: How they will tell, shameful.
Hari-śauri: In England it was "How we saved India."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now who is saving India?
Rāmeśvara: They say the "white man's burden." They came to make India civilized.
Hari-śauri: They showed us this...
Prabhupāda: Therefore all the śāstras, they bring it within Christian era. Before that, India was uncivilized. And if they accept all the Vedic literature, so exalted, then they have to accept Indian civilization. That is their propaganda. Simply propaganda, that's all.
Rāmeśvara: That's why you say Darwinism was started by the English...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: ...to discredit the Vedic literature.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Wow.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It's just like a bunch of demons.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems like it's such a concerted effort, a conspiracy of all the leaders of the world.
Rāmeśvara: Greed conspiracy. Leaders, the bankers they say.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's another deep point. Scientists are pointing to the bankers, each group points to the other, and they all cheat together. Just like we used to do... (indistinct)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: These demons, Śrīla Prabhupāda, all of them are dehātma-buddhi?
Prabhupāda: Yes, all they have... (end)